User talk:Mhannigan
Attribution of recent climate change
Please see Talk:Attribution_of recent_climate_change#An inverse relationship between_aerosol levels in the atomosphere and the level of CO2 William M. Connolley (talk) 21:25, 18 October 2012 (UTC)
False Sockpuppet Accusation
Because User:EvanBlass forgot to post this, I am now:
You were incorrectly accused of sock puppetry, which means that someone suspects you of using multiple Wikipedia accounts for prohibited purposes. Please make yourself familiar with the notes for the suspect, then respond to the evidence at Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/mhannigan. Thank you. Just an administrative notification. Thanks. --L235-Talk Ping when replying 23:55, 11 December 2014 (UTC)
Sockpuppet Accusation Scandle
Mhannigan, are you laughing about this as much as I am? :) I have no ill will toward EvanBlass (even though he once threatened me on Wikipedia), but the fact he's so insistent we're the same person is hilarious to me. ;) Wikigeek2 (talk) 08:42, 12 December 2014 (UTC)
Wikigeek2 I sure am! I had my first really good laugh in a while, actually, when I saw I was charged with Sock Puppetry. It's the most benign sounding thing anyone could ever charge someone with. Who comes up with this stuff? All I could picture was logging into Wikipedia and being greeted by the King, who with an thick English accent says, Michael Hannigan! You have been accused on one count of thock puppetry! What say you on this count of thock puppetry, Mithhhhhhter Hannigan? EvanBlass Threatened me a while back through email. I called him out once on one of his "Leaks that wasn't a leak". And he immediately fired back by blocking me and then threatening to kill me while my kids watched. He threatened to go to their school, too. He's one sick puppy. He's been hammering me with emails, thinking I am you. I think the count is up to around 200 by now. This guy is totally convinced that we are the same person. He's been chasing this thing for at least a couple of months with his "friend" Lixxx235 and because I made an edit, he thinks it's proof. He lives in his own reality. Here is one of yesterday's emails from him.
On Dec 12, 2014 1:51 AM, "Evan Blass" EvanBlass wrote:
LOL, you must think that the investigators don't actually read your comments.
Evan, stop this with the mean spirited allegations. This is absolutely silly - you are making a fool of yourself.
Mean-spirited allegations, like calling someone a fool? Or accusing a disabled man with chronic pain of being a drug abuser -- with no evidence? I'd be willing to place a wager that you will be found guilty in this investigation now. How does that saying go, "he who doth protest too much"? That last edit is so inflammatory I want it to stand without any rebuttal. I really know how to rile you up -- you're like a Pavlovian dog.
P.S. My memory must be getting really bad, because either I am forgetting this threat you keep alluding to, or you are using some of that hyperbole you are so famous for. And remember, you are the one under investigation, not me. Only your deranged emails to me regarding this incident are relevant to the Wikimedia execs.
and another good one:
On Dec 11, 2014 11:54 PM, "Evan Blass" EvanBlass wrote:
...But even if not, I will escalate this issue to the Wikimedia Foundation with much longer, detailed explanations, and copies of our entire email history -- along with your eBay scams, purchased followers, and offensive Tweets. Thankfully, Wikipedia gets lets democratic and more authoritarian (and less tolerable of bullshit) as you move up the food chain. Mhannigan (talk) 19:54, 12 December 2014 (UTC)
PS. Have you noticed how nearly impossible it is to format a Wikipedia page now if you don't do it every day? It's nuts. I used to be able to do it - now I can't get a quote (or anything for that matter) to format consistently. Mhannigan (talk) 20:11, 12 December 2014 (UTC)
Wow, this is really scary stuff. The funny part of it is, though, I had actually gotten bored of editing the article and had given it up until EvanBlass filed the investigation. If he wanted me to go away, this sure wasn't the way to do it! :) Wikigeek2 (talk) 09:01, 13 December 2014 (UTC)
Wikigeek2 Don't forget, in his mind we are the same person. So, from his perspective, you did edit the article after he poked and prodded me, all but forcing me to make an edit. Does that make sense? I'm starting to think I'm "simple". My mind doesn't do that much work in day to day operations.Mhannigan (talk) 02:16, 14 December 2014 (UTC)
Talk2
OH SNAP, the CheckUser test was completed and it failed to match us! OBVIOUSLY, BECAUSE WE'RE TWO DIFFERENT PEOPLE! LOL (cc: EvanBlass) Wikigeek2 (talk) 06:21, 16 December 2014 (UTC)
Oh no! I think that is bad! Didn't Evan say that it the technical evidence shows that we cannot be the sane person, that thusly that proves we must be?Mhannigan (talk) 08:07, 16 December 2014 (UTC)
Actually, it is a little disturbing. Not just how far Evan took it, but that he got a handful of people to say that our BEHAVIOR was the sane based basically on us both being human and making edits on Wikipedia. I'm going to coin a new WP policy to go next to No Chilling Effects. It will be "No Lord of the Flies"Mhannigan (talk) 08:18, 16 December 2014 (UTC)
My final response to the puffy-chested, self gratifying admin who closed the investigation, NOT because we were determined to be innocent, but because the conversation became "too long"? How weak. How pathetic. No spine and no balls. Sad. I can't express sad enough to convey how sad and pathetic... I just can't. It's unbelievable. I'll be happy never to have to deal with any of those people, or Evan again. It's amazing that Evan even has a cult following among Wikipedia admins. How very sad. How pathetic.
Mike V , I find it surprising that I am here defending myself and (Wikigeek2 against your abuse of this discussion to express your personal dislike of the very person you have had to exonerate (because you had not other choice). Mike V, you are not on this page to point out fault with me, you are not on this page to decide if I am of any value to the site, you are not here to THREATEN me with a BLOCK, you are not here to rally others to file complaints about me. You are here to close this case, opened in BAD FAITH, because TEHRE IS NO EVIDENCE to support it. Don't come here and pretend with me like your opinion outside of this silly sockpuppet investigation means something to anyone. You are WAY out of line here. And if you absolutely cannot stand seeing your idol crash and burn, maybe you would have been best not to show up. Private emails are none of your damn business - what behavior is CHILDISH is not yours to decide (Evan's being FAR more childish - if you knew the truth - than anyone else here). Mike V, YOU are more likely to end up on the receiving end of a BLOCK for your ABUSE of your status here to blatantly support the person with whom you are "starstruck". You make me sick to my stomach. You know as well as I do that this case should NEVER have been open. And YOU, being the child you are, are throwing a TANTRUM over the fact that Evan's case couldn't just SLIDE through without the two "presumed innocent" people that were targeted by your sick and twisted little clique, actually sticking up for themselves. CONTRIBUTIONS? Well, I don't know... my edits seem to still be there. If they are inaccurate SHUT the mouth and correct the edits. How DARE you say you are closing the case because the "...commentary has gone on too long". That is an OUTRIGHT lie. And I want you to say why the case is closed. The case is closed because there was no evidence found to support it. To the contrary, evidence shows that the two accounts cannot possibly be the same person. Be a man, please, and own up to your mistakes. Own up to the fact that Evan LOST is frivolous complaint and that he WILL BE nailed to the cross for it. Because I don't care how long it takes me, I will se each of you who acted improperly, sanctioned in one way or another. I hope you are as willing to help ME file complaints as you are to ask OTHERS to drum up complaints against me because your baseless investigation came up empty handed. It's disgusting. If you knew this guy (and someday you will), you would be/will be ashamed of yourself. And I mean that with every fiber in my body. You have NO idea what you are talking about, and THAT is precisely the reason an investigation like this is supposed to stick to the facts of the allegation, which YOU and everyone around you, was unwilling to see too... because nobody wanted to upset Evan. You people make me physically sick. You disgust me with your flippant remarks and inappropriate THREATS. You will have your day, my friend. I haven't encountered a situation yet where someone has publicly besmirched my name and not paid a price with their own. I'm truly sorry that you didn't know any better. I truly regret that you were unable to recognize your place, and it is unfortunate that you failed to treat those that were accused - the two innocent people - with the same respect you pay to the false accuser. Evan tells me how the "Wikipedia Admins" spend hours in IRC conspiring about how to bring action against me. Please... BRING IT ON. Don't just talk about it. Bring it on, but have everything you possibly can to back it up, or you'll be quite sorry. I'm so adamant about this, it's worth repeating - you disgust me and you should be ashamed and embarrassed. If you had a pair, you would close this the way it should be closed - with a find that there was NO EVIDENCE OF the accusation and that the accused, who were presumed to be innocent, are still presumed to me. Maybe if not now, then when you grow up.
Initiation of dispute resolution
Courtesy notification to inform you of involvement in this discussion: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Dispute_resolution_noticeboard#Talk:Evan_Blass — Preceding unsigned comment added by EvanBlass (talk • contribs) 13:08, 24 December 2014 (UTC)
- Don't care/really couldn't care less.Mhannigan (talk) 13:21, 24 December 2014 (UTC)
Conduct Concerns
Hello,
I recently saw the message that you had left for me. Being an admin forces you to develop a thick skin so I'm not really offended, but this style of communication is not appropriate for Wikipedia. It's a collaborative website that expects users to treat each other in a civil manner and to avoid using personal attacks. I hope that you will read the links I've provided above and reflect on your previous comments. As I cautioned in my previous message, if this behavior continues it's likely the issue will be brought to the attention of other administrators. Unfortunately, this may result in possible sanctions. I hope that this won't be necessary and that we can move beyond this incident towards peace and constructive contributions. If you have any questions, please feel free to let me know. Best, Mike V • Talk 19:50, 24 December 2014 (UTC) P
- Mike V, Plese read up on chilling effects. No more threats from you, please, or I will be forced to take action. You don't consider calling my behavior "childish" to be a personal attack? You don't consider your disparaging remarks about private emails to be a personal attack? Your repeated threats against me are a clear violation of policy. I will not tolerate it. I was personally attacked over and over in this SPI that I had absolutely nothing to do with. If you genuinely wish to make this a better place, you need to focus on the source of all this - I have been dragged through the mud and harassed by you and others. Being an admin does NOT give you the right to threaten people. Being an admin, you have much more at stake here and really should be more concerned with what is "right" than trying to manipulate my behavior. Everything up to and including your last message is a threat meant to control my behavior. I have been brutally attacked here, starting with the SPI. You are trying to drag me back into the myre with Blass' most recent "bad faith" allegation. Timing is everything. Play your politics with someone else. I've been here a long time, I contribute to Wikipedia, and it wasn't until this baseless SPI that admins started to attack me - even when, to their dismay, the technical evidence proved that there was no truth whatsoever to it.
- Remember, I was charged with something when I was doing nothing, and I was presumed guilty, even AFTER being provOed innocent (not to mention the other user, whom I do not know). This is a time when admins should be saying "Mike, sorry you were dragged through this", not "I just saw this, and BTW, you're in big trouble if you offend an admin". How "offended" do you think I am that every admin who had something to say about the SPI was of the "opinion" that I mist be guilty? If Evan is your friend, that's fine, but don't exercise that allegiance in the form of threats to me, please. This "peaceful" environment starts with Admins. I was minding my own business and following the rules. And I believe that you think you are doing the right thing, but take some time to realy reflect on what I'm saying. You can be offended by it or take it as constructive criticism. I would suggest the latter. If you have any questions let me know.
- If you plan on taking any action regarding my account - if it's warrented do it. But threatening to do it serves only one purpose - to change my behavior through intimidation.Mhannigan (talk) 20:31, 24 December 2014 (UTC)
- if I am reading this correctly, you are responding to a so-called "threat" from him -- really, just an acknowledgement that your conduct on Wikipedia, in edits and comments, is not appropriate behavior -- with your own threat to take some undisclosed action; I would consider this a helpful warning from someone whom you just viciously attacked in a comment even Wikigeek2 called inappropriate. P.S. I am not friends with Mike V. I am not friends with Huon. I am not friends with Josve05a. I'm only friendly with Lixxx235 after meeting him in IRC and getting a lot of useful assistance. So your assertion that there is some cabal out to get you is simply off-base. All these experienced users and admins are looking at your activity through neutral eyes, and they see someone who is not abiding by the standards of conduct that Wikipedia operates upon. EvanBlass (talk) 01:00, 25 December 2014 (UTC)
- EvanBlass , why don't you just stop harassing me - stop filing SPI's, and mediation requests, and complaints. Stop trying to stir things up and instigate misunderstandings Wikipedia is about content. If you have an issue with any of the content that is a result of one or more of my edits, please take it up on the page related to that content. That's really all you have to do. It will work itself out. If, on the other hand, you wish to discuss something with me that questions something about my integrity or character, you have my email - feel free to use it as you have so many times in the past. I fell for it - I made the mistake of allowing you to cajole me into responding to you here with the SPI. Wikipedia is not the platform for either of us to air dirty laundry. I'll be happy to humor you in private as time permits. Thank you. Mhannigan (talk) 03:13, 25 December 2014 (UTC)
- if you truly felt that this was a private matter, you would not be grudge editing my Wikipedia bio. You made up an allegation of drug abuse out of thin air, for instance -- against a person with a debilitating disease who requires them just to walk, no less. There is no explaining that away, and it should be adjudicated as publicly as the shameful accusation was made. The fact that you are harassing other users by way of personal attacks (calling me a fool, a knucklehead, referring to me as Blassmeister, telling me to shut it, telling an admin to grow up, to "grow a pair") only further cements the need for escalation of the issue of your conduct as it relates to your content and commenting. To present yourself as the victim of harassment is a disingenuous claim that has been soundly rejected by the few outside observers who have taken an interest in this case thus far; Wikipedia is all about consensus building, so you should take no issue with my attempt to do just that. EvanBlass (talk) 03:32, 25 December 2014 (UTC)
- EvanBlassIf you have an issue with any of the content that is a result of one or more of my edits, please take it up on the page related to that content. If you wish to discuss something that relates to my integrity or character, or anything personal, please use email - Wikipedia is not the appropriate platform - I'll be happy to humor you in private as time permits.Mhannigan (talk) 03:44, 25 December 2014 (UTC)
- if you truly felt that this was a private matter, you would not be grudge editing my Wikipedia bio. You made up an allegation of drug abuse out of thin air, for instance -- against a person with a debilitating disease who requires them just to walk, no less. There is no explaining that away, and it should be adjudicated as publicly as the shameful accusation was made. The fact that you are harassing other users by way of personal attacks (calling me a fool, a knucklehead, referring to me as Blassmeister, telling me to shut it, telling an admin to grow up, to "grow a pair") only further cements the need for escalation of the issue of your conduct as it relates to your content and commenting. To present yourself as the victim of harassment is a disingenuous claim that has been soundly rejected by the few outside observers who have taken an interest in this case thus far; Wikipedia is all about consensus building, so you should take no issue with my attempt to do just that. EvanBlass (talk) 03:32, 25 December 2014 (UTC)
- EvanBlass , why don't you just stop harassing me - stop filing SPI's, and mediation requests, and complaints. Stop trying to stir things up and instigate misunderstandings Wikipedia is about content. If you have an issue with any of the content that is a result of one or more of my edits, please take it up on the page related to that content. That's really all you have to do. It will work itself out. If, on the other hand, you wish to discuss something with me that questions something about my integrity or character, you have my email - feel free to use it as you have so many times in the past. I fell for it - I made the mistake of allowing you to cajole me into responding to you here with the SPI. Wikipedia is not the platform for either of us to air dirty laundry. I'll be happy to humor you in private as time permits. Thank you. Mhannigan (talk) 03:13, 25 December 2014 (UTC)
- if I am reading this correctly, you are responding to a so-called "threat" from him -- really, just an acknowledgement that your conduct on Wikipedia, in edits and comments, is not appropriate behavior -- with your own threat to take some undisclosed action; I would consider this a helpful warning from someone whom you just viciously attacked in a comment even Wikigeek2 called inappropriate. P.S. I am not friends with Mike V. I am not friends with Huon. I am not friends with Josve05a. I'm only friendly with Lixxx235 after meeting him in IRC and getting a lot of useful assistance. So your assertion that there is some cabal out to get you is simply off-base. All these experienced users and admins are looking at your activity through neutral eyes, and they see someone who is not abiding by the standards of conduct that Wikipedia operates upon. EvanBlass (talk) 01:00, 25 December 2014 (UTC)
Seasonal Greets!
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Merry Christmas and a Prosperous 2015!!! |
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December 2014
Hi, and thank you for your contributions to Wikipedia. Your recent talk page comments on User talk:Lixxx235 were not added to the bottom of the page. New discussion page messages and topics should always be added to the bottom. Your message may have been moved by another user. In the future you can use the "New section" link in the top right. For more details see the talk page guidelines. Thank you. --L235-Talk Ping when replying 03:53, 25 December 2014 (UTC)
Sorry for the third section in a row...
... but it's probably not a good idea to send holiday greetings right below someone else's holiday greetings ;) Especially on like five different people :) Happy holidays! --L235-Talk Ping when replying 04:11, 25 December 2014 (UTC)