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You are a Saint!

		The Civility Barnstar
		In recognition of your patient kind handling of mindless accusations. Kautilya3 (talk) 09:28, 22 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

A saint or a sant? ;) Joshua Jonathan -Let's talk! 12:05, 22 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

What do you mean? There is no such word in my language :-) - Kautilya3 (talk) 12:12, 22 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Got my first SPI today [1]. It is quite satisfying, I have to admit. It calls for a beer! - Kautilya3 (talk) 19:26, 23 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

I have to agree that you earned this. John Carter (talk) 19:28, 23 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Well, thanks John. @Kautilya3: you were accused again? - oh, now I see: you created an SPI against someone else! Quite a list... Did you see this one? Joshua Jonathan -Let's talk! 21:09, 23 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

NB: see this edit by the editor in question; I think it gives an explanation of his sensitivities. Heavy shit. Joshua Jonathan -Let's talk! 21:20, 23 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Avestan

See this edit at Avestan; see Avestan: Revision history for the follow-up. See also Talk:Invading the Sacred#Sockpuppet Accusations.

Original thread

The word Iran is derived from Airya/Arya. Iran, Afghanistan, Pakistan didn't even exist when Avestan and Vedic Sanskrit were spoken. Zarathustra describes how God has given the aryan people 16 lands, one of them being Aryanem Vaeja, which is east of Indus river, where aryans resided. So you're factually wrong. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Hvarena (talk • contribs) 14:54, 24 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

WP:OR. Please stop this nonsense. Joshua Jonathan -Let's talk! 14:56, 24 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Who has come up with the word Indo-European anyway? What makes this word legitimate? Have you forgotten that the history of Europe has been written by christian warmakers? It's the winners of war who write the history weather legit or not. The correct name of the language group is Indo-Aryan languages, and Avestan, Vedic sanskrit and other European languages being subgroups. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Hvarena (talk • contribs) 15:06, 24 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

If you want to correct the great wrongs in human histority, that's fine with me. But not here, in this way. Joshua Jonathan -Let's talk! 17:30, 24 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Are you an Avestan knower?? What gives you the right to edit Avestan language without having any ties to it? Why are your edits correct? You also lack info and your edits are clearly in favor of western powers who want to see Judaism as first monotheistic religion. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 77.238.54.62 (talk) 17:49, 24 September 2015 (UTC)

Nonsense? Without sources? Go and read the Avesta!! it's obvious that you don't dare to critice Judaism. In the Torah it's mentioned that the Jewish God has given the Jewish people the Land of Israel, divided between 12 tribes. If a jew uses this info to correct an article in wikipedia about Hebrew or judaism, then you wont have any opinions. But when we the Zoroastrian/Aryan people want to correct misinfo about us, then everyone stands against us. Of course you don't dare to stand against Israel and USA. You're obviously working for christian Europeans who don't want to admit that their history actually came from Indo-Aryans and not Greeks and Romans. Indo-Aryan languages have to major groups Avestan and Vedic sanskrit. These to became origins for Latin and Greek language. It's no coincidance that 7 in Greek in Hepta (Hapta in Avestan) and in Latin septa (Sapta in Vedic s.). Go and read books before you become and editor. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Hvarena (talk • contribs) 18:08, 24 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Good rejoinder Hvarena. You should go through his comments on pages related to Hinduism. You will be able to see the similarities. Adiagr (talk) 17:16, 26 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Tsk, Tsk. Adiagr, if you want a bright future at Wikipedia, cheering for trolls is not the way to go. - Kautilya3 (talk) 18:03, 26 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

@Bishonen, Abecedare, and Drmies: for the record, please take notice of the comment by Adiagr above. Joshua Jonathan -Let's talk! 06:03, 27 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Now for some serious responses:

@Hvarena:

"it's obvious that you don't dare to critice Judaism" - Judaism is not relevant to this topic; at least not for me. Your comments are anti-semitic, and unacceptable here.
"You're obviously working for christian Europeans" - no, I'm not. I'm a Buddhist, and I work for nobody. This too is unrelated to this topic, and shows your biases.
"[European] history actually came from Indo-Aryans and not Greeks and Romans. Indo-Aryan languages have to major groups Avestan and Vedic sanskrit. These to became origins for Latin and Greek language." - I'm looking forward to see the sources for this insight. As far as I know, Indo-Aryan c.q. Indo-Iranian is one of the youngest Indo-European languages; Germanic, Italic and Greek have earlier origins. See Indo-European migrations#Spread of Indo-European languages.

@Adiagr: if this "rejoinder" meets your criteria for "good," that's a very bad omen. See above.

Joshua Jonathan -Let's talk! 07:25, 27 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Avestan-spam #2

Repetition

Are you an Avestan knower?? What gives you the right to edit Avestan language without having any ties to it? Why are your edits correct? You also lack info and your edits are clearly in favor of western powers who want to see Judaism as first monotheistic religion. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 77.238.54.62 (talk) 17:49, 24 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Nonsense? Without sources? Go and read the Avesta!! it's obvious that you don't dare to critice Judaism. In the Torah it's mentioned that the Jewish God has given the Jewish people the Land of Israel, divided between 12 tribes. If a jew uses this info to correct an article in wikipedia about Hebrew or judaism, then you wont have any opinions. But when we the Zoroastrian/Aryan people want to correct misinfo about us, then everyone stands against us. Of course you don't dare to stand against Israel and USA. You're obviously working for christian Europeans who don't want to admit that their history actually came from Indo-Aryans and not Greeks and Romans. Indo-Aryan languages have to major groups Avestan and Vedic sanskrit. These to became origins for Latin and Greek language. It's no coincidance that 7 in Greek in Hepta (Hapta in Avestan) and in Latin septa (Sapta in Vedic s.). Go and read books before you become and editor. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 77.238.54.62 (talk) 18:04, 24 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Avestan-spam #3

Repetition

Are you an Avestan knower?? What gives you the right to edit Avestan language without having any ties to it? Why are your edits correct? You also lack info and your edits are clearly in favor of western powers who want to see Judaism as first monotheistic religion.

Nonsense? Without sources? Go and read the Avesta!! it's obvious that you don't dare to critice Judaism. In the Torah it's mentioned that the Jewish God has given the Jewish people the Land of Israel, divided between 12 tribes. If a jew uses this info to correct an article in wikipedia about Hebrew or judaism, then you wont have any opinions. But when we the Zoroastrian/Aryan people want to correct misinfo about us, then everyone stands against us. Of course you don't dare to stand against Israel and USA. You're obviously working for christian Europeans who don't want to admit that their history actually came from Indo-Aryans and not Greeks and Romans. Indo-Aryan languages have to major groups Avestan and Vedic sanskrit. These to became origins for Latin and Greek language. It's no coincidance that 7 in Greek in Hepta (Hapta in Avestan) and in Latin septa (Sapta in Vedic s.). Go and read books before you become and editor. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Hvarena (talk • contribs) 18:07, 24 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Kalburgi and Allama Prabhu

@JJ: Just wondering if this is relevant on the talk page of Allama Prabhu article. It is a developing tragic story about M. M. Kalburgi. Have you read other paragraphs from the article published few days ago, about Kalburgi being at "loggerheads with Lingayat community members"?, and his public statements on "urinating on symbols of someone's faith such as Virasaivas / various Hindu denominations / Muslims / Christians"? (FWIW, I am in the "Je suis Charlie" camp, no matter which group acts against freedom of speech).

I do not wish to speculate on @Mohanbhan sensitivities, and have serious doubt he belongs to the Lingayat community. I sense @Mohanbhan's objections more of a pattern of objections in Charvaka article and elsewhere. FWIW, in scholarly literature, Lingayatism is one of a passionate, spiritual, assertive yet complicated (and militant) history.

Is Kalburgi story relevant to Allama Prabhu article? Have you looked into Kalburgi's publications? Perhaps, views of Kalburgi can be searched and then sourced from his peer reviewed publications, included in the Lingayatism article? Thoughts? @Abecedare: any comments? Ms Sarah Welch (talk) 15:29, 24 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Ms Sarah Welch. Yes, I also noticed that Kalburgi was quite radical in his approsch of Lingayatism. Nevertheless, I can imagine that this story somehow reveals some of the sensitivities of Mohanbhan. It's not just him, it's a general tone with many editors at India-related articles. I suppose that there's a lot of agression in Indian society, which is perpetual, and also surfaces here at Wikipedia. It's a pity, but somehow I can also understand that editors respond too quickly with 'assertive behavior.' I don't support it, but somehow I can understand it, maybe.

I don't know if Kalburgi's articles and research are relevant to Lingayatism. I'd never heard of him. Ramanujan, another writer I'd heard about, not taken notice of, seems to be an interesting writer, worth further reading. Joshua Jonathan -Let's talk! 17:20, 24 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Support #Hamish59

If you have twitter, please tweet #Hamish59 so that he can become MBE. Thank you. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2.103.213.184 (talk) 18:05, 24 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Vedic Voices: Intimate Narratives of a Living Andhra Tradition, Oxford University Press 2015

Interesting book.VictoriaGrayson^Talk 20:24, 24 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks! It looks more than "interesting"; it gives a voice a "traditional tradition" which has minimal access to the urban, educated discourses. @Kautilya3 and Ms Sarah Welch: this book is interesting for you too. Joshua Jonathan -Let's talk! 20:38, 24 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks. Ms Sarah Welch (talk) 13:47, 25 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Religion and politics

Considering you were the last editor to edit the above template before the recent rush of activity, I thought you might want to look over the subsequent changes and see if you think they are warranted, and, maybe, discuss them if they aren't. John Carter (talk) 21:46, 24 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

@John Carter: looks okay to me, although it's a long list. Joshua Jonathan -Let's talk! 04:25, 25 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

I first posted this because of the recent spurt of activity which was mentioned at the WT:RELIGION page. There does seem to have been a lot of recent edits by a newer editor regarding broadly feminist topics, from what I remember anyway. Whether that should be in that template, honestly, I don't know one way or another. If you don't have any objections, though, considering you probably know the topic area better than I do, I can accept that. John Carter (talk) 17:06, 25 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Major changes?

@JJ: On this template request, have some in the past or you recently considered creating a new template and using it in Buddhist philosophy, Jain philosophy, Hindu philosophy and other relevant Indic wiki pages? I doubt this would be prudent or useful, but perhaps there are perspectives you have which may make me rethink. Ms Sarah Welch (talk) 13:03, 25 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

I have considered that, yes; and I also thought it would not be prudent. Joshua Jonathan -Let's talk! 17:40, 25 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Late Vedic period map

@JJ: While working on Rigveda and Samaveda articles, I stumbled into this map for "late Vedic culture". You seem to have reviewed the quality of map in Januay 2015, with this comment. I wonder if you, back then, also checked the sources? The map doesn't look right, not even approximately. For example, page 4 of this paper by Michael Witzel includes Bengal and Andhra within the geographical area of late Vedic period. But, perhaps you saw something else somewhere? Ms Sarah Welch (talk) 15:36, 25 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

I just saw a great map. Witzel's article is good too, by the way. Recommanded reading for Wikipedians. Best regards, Joshua Jonathan -Let's talk! 17: 39, 25 September 2015 (UTC)

@JJ: The map maker claimed Witzel to be a source, but the actual drawing does not follow Witzel. Do you know some map expert who can edit the map and correct it? Ms Sarah Welch (talk) 18:50, 25 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

No. I tried it myself, but the result was incomparable to this map. thas't why I was so impressed; it's very well done. Maybe you can ask at the Teahouse? Joshua Jonathan -Let's talk! 20:08, 25 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Maurya Empire and Buddhism, Buddha

At the beginning of the Mauryan empire Hinduism wasn't major religion. That whole paragraph is filled of misinformation. Nanda rulers before the Mauryans were Jains as the Udayagiri inscription of Kalinga says that Mahapadma Nanda after conquering Kalinga took the Statue of Adi Jina to Magadha. That itself shows that Hinduism wasn't prevalent at Magadha not before Mauryas. It is said that original Shramanas are Jains. Herman Jacobi, etc are of the same opinion. The historical Buddha followed self mortification. It is followed of the belief that soul and Body are different. But he later left it. Wasn't it written that Buddha's uncle was a nirgrantha. Also at that time renunciation was prevalent in Shramanas only. Oldest shramana reference you find about Jains only. Ashvawiki (talk) 07:25, 28 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]