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Thanks for the help

Thank you for the help for referring me to Provelt and that YouTube is not a valid link.

EagleTech199 EagleTech199 (talk) 05:48, 30 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

@EagleTech199: No problem! If you need anything else, please feel free to contact me. --  Kethrus |talk to me  06:00, 30 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Where is Bambora?

Hi Kethrus, you reviewed my first article here on Wiki, about Bambora, and I want to work on my draft. However, I can't find it anymore... Could you please help me? Thanks :) — Preceding unsigned comment added by NIHA42 (talk • contribs) 14:00, 1 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]

@NIHA42: It is located at Draft:Bambora. If you have any further questions feel free to contact me. --  Kethrus |talk to me  16:57, 1 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Relating to Rockwills Group

Hi Kethrus,

Would appreciate if you could advice on the name drop you mentioned in your comment section. because the reference that was stated , http://www.thesundaily.my/news/835031 was talking about rockwills and the company, and the notability of the company as a will writing company. The article was providing examples of where wills was useful in the first paragraph, but eventually directed to rockwills.

Your feedback is highly appreciated.

Thank you.

Saraquattro88 (talk) 05:14, 2 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]

@Saraquattro88: I'm really not in the mood to go through your contributions and find the page, please remember to link the article(s) you're referring to within your message, or in the subject line.
--  Kethrus |talk to me  05:26, 2 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Update: I've updated the AfD here. --  Kethrus |talk to me  05:32, 2 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]

LXL

Dear Kethrus, @Primefac:.

Thank you for all your help yesterday.

I have made a declaration on my website as requested.

You can find it here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Yanalfailat#COI_declaration

Can you please tell me if there is anything that needs to be changed in the article to get it accepted.

I have redrafted any statements that may be deemed promotional and ensured that the references are sourced from third parties.

I did refer to the firm's website to footnote the number of lawyers - purely factual.

Please do advise.

Best wishes

Yanalfailat (talk) 09:26, 2 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]

@Yanalfailat: I recommend adding {{paid|employer=[[Draft:LXL|LXL LLP]]}} to your userpage, it's much clearer than what is currently on your userpage. Helping you is no problem at all, and if you need any help at all feel free to use the {{help me}} template or your talk page, or contact me on my talk page. --  Kethrus |talk to me  09:32, 2 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]
@Kethrus: - many thanks can you please advise me on any other issues relating to the draft? Yanalfailat (talk) 09:34, 2 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]
@Yanalfailat: There is a problem with sources from LXL LLP, as they are WP:PRIMARY and do not establish notability, and there's no proof any of those claims are true, sources need to be independent of the subject (LXL and people affiliated with LXL must have nothing to do with the sources for them to be reliable). As for the other sources - I haven't checked. I also must state there could probably be more in the History section of the page, as Primefac has said in IRC there doesn't seem to be an awful lot of history of the company. --  Kethrus |talk to me  09:38, 2 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]

What constitutes notability

Hi Kethrus

I have read the page on what constitutes notability. I wanted to check that if I could prove that John Wilcox developed the Woolmark that that would count as natability.

Thanks — Preceding unsigned comment added by Simontomp (talk • contribs) 11:40, 5 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]

@Simontomp: I don't think that's a claim to notability, as notability isn't usually inherited. Also remember that significant coverage on John Wilcox is needed, see WP:42. Please also remember to sign your messages with ~~~~ --  Kethrus |talk to me  12:09, 5 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Hi Kethrus, I don't understand what you mean by "inherited". I think you may have misread my question. What I was trying to say is that if John Wilcox can be shown to have developed the Woolmark would that constitute notability for him? I hope that is clearer. --Simontomp (talk) 12:33, 5 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]
@Simontomp: I didn't misread it. By "inherited" I mean just because they've worked on something notable, doesn't necessarily make them notable (See WP:NRV). They need significant, independent coverage from news/books/magazines/etc to be notable. --  Kethrus |talk to me  12:37, 5 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Edit on Prudential Overall Supply page

Hello,

Thank you for your note on why you reverted back my edit. I actually work for Prudential and one of the higher ups didn't like that the Irvine location was mentioned twice so he asked me to change it. I didn't think it was a big deal, but if it doesn't make any sense to change it to you than I will let him know. — Preceding unsigned comment added by TiffanyAnnS (talk • contribs) 17:50, 5 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]

@TiffanyAnnS: It wasn't the fact the location was removed, it's the fact a whole paragraph was removed. This was the paragraph:

In September 2015 Prudential overall Supply acquired operations of now bankrupt laundry firm Coyne International Enterprises in Virginia and South Carolina.

Unfortunately, the higher-ups don't get to decide what is said about their business, nor does anyone else. If it's factually correct - it stays. Also, as you work for the company - you must state that by adding the {{paid}} template to your user page, per the WMF Terms. Thank you for your understanding. --  Kethrus |talk to me  19:57, 5 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]

VCAPS process page

Hello Kethrus, You mention that the article lacks a lead section. I could write one that links this page to the Adaptation to global warming page. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adaptation_to_global_warming Do you think that would be a good idea?Jellyfish343 (talk) 21:42, 5 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]

@Jellyfish343: I honestly have no idea what you're referring to. A link to the article you're talking about would he helpful. --  Kethrus |talk to me  07:06, 6 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]

You have new message/s Hello. You have a new message at Mystywave18's talk page.

Hi there, please visit to my talk page regarding to your message. I leave there a reply message for you. Tnx
Mystywave18 (talk) 08:44, 6 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]

I've copied it over here so I can respond quicker, hope that's okay. --  Kethrus |talk to me  08:46, 6 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Re: AfC helpdesk response - Regarding this helpdesk question and this draft

Hi, In regards to your response, may I ask to you Kethrus if do so, give me some suggestions from you if what will be the correct & right sentence to the phrase " which is very common and popular by most good-looking & handsome men to do dubsmash"? How can I make construct of it??? Please make some more response what should be the right sentence? The explanation of it is, he is the most popular man who gain popularity in dubsmash in the Philippines especially the track "Twerk It Like Miley" among the other good-looking men. Tnx. --Mystywave18 (talk) 08:40, 6 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]

@Mystywave18: Calling someone "good-looking and handsome" is not adhering to a neutral point of view, it's an opinion. --  Kethrus |talk to me  08:47, 6 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]
@KethrusKethrus I already fixed of it. sir. So I will re-submit of it to you. --Mystywave18 (talk) 08:53, 6 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]
@Mystywave18: From what I can see, the issue has not been fixed and is not ready for resubmission. --  Kethrus |talk to me  08:55, 6 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]
@Kethrus I've already fixed. Its been a while now I waited on this draft to be approved & I'm already fixed of it sir.. -Mystywave18 (talk) 09:04, 6 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]
@Mystywave18: I can assure you, the issue is still not fixed. Please, read through the article again. --  Kethrus |talk to me  09:06, 6 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]
@Kethrus Tell me sir, in what part of the draft that I wanted to be fixed? I read it again & again my draft but for me there's nothing a problem of it. It's OK. Please, help me. I beg it for you. tnx. -Mystywave18 (talk) 09:10, 6 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]
@Kethrus I am new one. So please give me some assistance of it. -Mystywave18 (talk) 09:12, 6 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]

@Mystywave18: I'd much rather you read the article for words like 'handsome' and 'good-looking', instead of me pointing out every little detail that's wrong with it. I'm not here to edit for you, I'm here to help you. You'll not be able to learn how to speak neutrally if I just point out a sentence and you only change that sentence. Please also read WP:NPOV and WP:PEA. --  Kethrus |talk to me  09:15, 6 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]

@Kethrus Yes sir, I got your point. And Im already deleted the words on my draft 'handsome' & 'good-looking'. try to look again to my draft. tnx -Mystywave18 (talk) 09:19, 6 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]
@Mystywave18: Please remember to indent your messages. I'll take a look at the article now, and I do believe calling him an "internet sensation" sounds like puffery. References are also needed on the Personal life section of the article, as there are no references there. Some of the sentences aren't really understandable either, and I would try to improve that as much as possible before submitting it for review, as I said before I'm not just going to point out all the errors to you (I'll point you in the right direction, but it's not my responsibility to point out every individual sentence), as you'll only fix them, which you have shown multiple times now. --  Kethrus |talk to me  09:27, 6 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Submission declined, some of the secondary sources overlooked.

Hello Kethrus,

8 days ago I was looking for advises for my first article submission on the Wikipedia IRC channel and talked to you. Thank you for all the remarks you provided.

One of the issues was too high number of primary sources (which I reduced since then). This caused you to overlook the secondary sources and you declined the submission on the grounds of lack of notability. Later we (together with another user - JA95) went through the references and established that several of them fulfill Wikipedia's requirement for independent reliable sources with significant coverage of the subject (here they are #: 2, 11, 13, 14; I also added #1 later). The rest of the references, probably do not fulfill all the requirements, but (together with Google/Bing/Wikipedia search) do provide some hints on the significance of the subject. Both of us had no more time back then and left the draft as it was. I have resubmitted the article but now I'm afraid that new reviewer might rely on your decision wrongly assuming that you checked all the sources and found them unfit. S/He will see that no new references have been added to the article and decline it again.

Maybe you would agree to resolve this situation in one of the following ways?

  • you will review my re-submission, since you know the background.
  • you will revert your decision and the new reviewer will start the process from scratch without any assumptions.
  • we will leave it as it is, just add a comment with a link to this talk page.
  • any other suggestions?

Thank you! SimulaModel (talk) 09:51, 6 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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