Talk:Vanniyar

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Please change the introduction to the following sentences.

The Vanniyar, who were once known as the Palli, are a community or jāti found in Southern India. The vanniyar are a community of landlords, Kings.

reference provided below

1. Islamic Area Studies with Geographical Information Systems edited by Atsuyuki Okabe
2. Tamil Temple Myths: Sacrifice and Divine Marriage in the South Indian Saiva ... By David Dean Shulman ( university of princeton )
3. The politics of scarcity: public pressure and political response in India University of Chicago Press
4. The Burma Delta: Economic Development and Social Change on an Asian Rice ... By Michael Adas
5. Caste and Democratic Politics in India By Ghanshyam Shah

Sangitha rani111 (talk) 01:35, 5 May 2015 (UTC)Sangitha rani111

Lead sections should summarise the body of an article. That is, the opening bit above the table of contents should outline what we say in the content proper. As a general rule, there should be no reason to include citations in the lead because the more detailed explanation should be cited in the body. This is explained at WP:LEAD.

I am sure that you are correct but do not have time at present to incorporate all of your sources into the body. I presume you are unable to do so yourself? If so, give me a nudge in a couple of days and I will try to sort it all out. - Sitush (talk) 18:56, 5 May 2015 (UTC)

@Sangitha rani111: I have just reformatted your opening message so that it is easier for people to refer to it. More to follow. - Sitush (talk) 09:21, 9 May 2015 (UTC)

#1 doesn't really help us because it is just a definition in a glossary; #2 doesn't help us because it makes no connection between Palli and Vanniyar; #3 is no use to me at least because I can only see a snippet view; #4 is another glossary entry but at least this one does say the terms are synonymous; #5 just seems to refer to Palli.

It is no good proving that Palli are/were agriculturists and then say "Vanniyar are Tamil agricultural peasants", Palli are/were, so the two must be the same" because that is WP:SYNTHESIS. We need sources, as we already have in the article, that show the two terms are synonyms. I don't think the above actually add anything to what we already say. - Sitush (talk) 09:29, 9 May 2015 (UTC)

This is strong misconception with name of palli. Padayachi is category in Kshatriya community and they have been called as padayachi for 1000 of years since the Dravidian civilization formed. The word padayachi means head of army , especially padayachi proffesions are working for the army and ruling the kingdoms Sabmicro (talk) 02:57, 26 February 2016 (UTC)

Sanskrtization and low caste status

The Everyday Politics of Labour: Working Lives in India's Informal Economy

By Geert de Neve

https://books.google.com/books?id=ppbkEJAEVCIC&pg=PA77&dq=vanniyar+low+caste&hl=en&sa=X&ei=aXZqVamIEIzXoASa64DYDA&ved=0CB0Q6AEwAA#v=onepage&q=vanniyar%20low%20caste&f=false

The Meaning of the Local: Politics of Place in Urban India

edited by Geert de Neve, Henrike Donner

https://books.google.com/books?id=E196AgAAQBAJ&pg=PA31&dq=vanniyar+low+caste&hl=en&sa=X&ei=aXZqVamIEIzXoASa64DYDA&ved=0CCkQ6AEwAg#v=onepage&q=vanniyar%20low%20caste&f=false

Rise of the Plebeians?: The Changing Face of the Indian Legislative Assemblies

edited by Christophe Jaffrelot, Sanjay Kumar

https://books.google.com/books?id=tDN0MinxMigC&pg=PA445&dq=vanniyar+low+caste&hl=en&sa=X&ei=aXZqVamIEIzXoASa64DYDA&ved=0CC4Q6AEwAw#v=onepage&q=vanniyar%20low%20caste&f=false

Rural Society in Southeast India

By Kathleen Gough

https://books.google.com/books?id=GZwD7EqLcAUC&pg=PA24&dq=vanniyar+low+caste&hl=en&sa=X&ei=aXZqVamIEIzXoASa64DYDA&ved=0CEMQ6AEwBw#v=onepage&q=vanniyar%20low%20caste&f=false — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sangitha rani111 (talk • contribs) 02:51, 31 May 2015 (UTC)

I think the article already says this. - Sitush (talk) 07:15, 3 June 2015 (UTC)

Please continue discussion here for any edits. Desty cn (talk) 03:11, 23 June 2015 (UTC)desty_CN

Lloyd Rudolph has clearly stated vanniyar as low caste.

https://books.google.com/books?id=7guY1ut-0lwC&pg=PA50&dq=vanniyar+low+caste&hl=en&sa=X&ei=5NCIVeDuGMyzoQTlxInAAQ&ved=0CEMQ6AEwBw#v=onepage&q=vanniyar%20low%20caste&f=false

The Modernity of Tradition: Political Development in India

By Lloyd I. Rudolph, Susanne Hoeber Rudolph

Desty cn (talk) 03:23, 23 June 2015 (UTC)Desty CN

Lloyd I. Rudolph and Susanne Hoeber Rudolph mentioned Vellalas as Shudras not Vanniyars. https://books.google.co.in/books?id=7guY1ut-0lwC&pg=PA49&redir_esc=y#v=onepage&q=sudra&f=false

Kulazambu.

(Kulazambu) 10:48 AM, 14 August 2015 (UTC)Kulazambu

Elaboration on the status of caste structures

Topic banned contributor. - Sitush (talk) 21:16, 17 August 2015 (UTC)
I'd like to know which part of the sentence is copyright as it is not a word by word copy of the book. Also which part is irrelevant? Merkcid (talk) 21:11, 17 August 2015 (UTC)

vanniyar are kings

vanniyar are kings because it had been proved by many researchers and even shown in television channel (Sun tv). so kindly please change the wrong things in it.because the future generation will thing wrongly. even the name Padaiyachi means (Head of the army). Ajithnandhini (talk) 17:44, 1 March 2016 (UTC)