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Troilus and Cressida in the First Folio

This article claims that the play is present in the First Folio. I was recently looking in my Facimilie, and I Troilus and Cressida is not present in my table of contents. Here is a link to a a First Folio table of contents image.

Perhaps Troilus and Cressida was in one of the following Folio editions? Is anyone familiar with the issue?

Achilles Gay?

I choose to comment here rather than at the Elibethan Project because I couldn't easily locate the place to comment there.

I've just seen a staging of Troilus and Cressida that portrays the relationships between Achilles and Patroculus as a sexual one. Not knowing the play, I thought that this might be another Director trying to stretch a point, but the dialogue fitted the idea so well that I was surprised instead by how explicit and perhaps homophobic Shakespeare's language was. Thersites actually calls Patroclus a male whore (a comment not remarkable for its vitriol as Thersites doesn't seem to like anyone, but it does seem to reinforce the point).

Yet when I read the reviews--like the one here explicitly commenting on the sexuality in the play--there is no mention of it. 207.81.127.107 19:02, 9 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

That's because this article is too short and not very good! Achilles and Patroclus are certainly accused of being lovers in the play. Whether they are is open to debate, but I believe most major stage productions have presented them so. Barney Jenkins 00:38, 10 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Thersites

What?????

Thersites, an ugly and abusive low-class person

In the play it is never commented that he is "ugly" perhaps as an insult but in actuality, he is a FOOL, a JESTER. Please let me know if you find otherwise. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.221.65.228 (talk • contribs) 06:01, 10 April 2007

I think it's a fair description. Other characters certainly refer to him as ugly, such as Ajax's humorous threat "I will beat thee into handsomeness!" It's not uncommon in Shakespeare, as in much old literature, for the physical appearance of characters to cue the readers or audience to their internal quality. Thersites is basically a social outcast, though I wouldn't be surprised if he was one of Shakespeare's favorite characters in the play. --BDD (talk) 00:01, 27 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Faithful to the Iliad?

the wiki article seems to present the play as being very faithful to the iliad however is there not some major differences? like the way in which Hector is killed for instance. or the portrayal of Achilles.

You are definitely right. Wrad (talk) 20:18, 2 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Popular Culture Section

This bit is a stub entry for now. Needs some extra work to add notable 'outside' references in modern culture.

York Shakespeare Project material

At the end of the Performance History section, there's currently a paragraph about the York Shakespeare Project's production of this play that is, I think, clearly an advertisement for this production; it includes dates of the run and a full-text link to the project's site. Under WP:ADVERT, I'm removing this paragraph. If anyone disagrees with this move, feel free to revert. --AgonRex (talk) 01:32, 2 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Possible Copypaste Comment

I tagged the plot summary section because it appears to be a possible copypaste from Sparknotes' summary. However, I can't tell if Sparknotes copied Wikipedia or the reverse. Geoff ^{Who, me?} 17:01, 8 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Ulysses or Odysseus

In all the editions that I have ever seen, the character is named "Ulysses". The only time I saw him referred to as "Odysseus" was here, in this Wikipedia article. Isn't "Ulysses" more commonly found? Does anyone know? Thanks. Joseph A. Spadaro (talk) 03:47, 24 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Is it the Odyssey or the Ulyssey ? Therein lies your answer, perhaps ... 210.22.142.82 (talk) 12:59, 21 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]