Talk:African Americans

Previous discussions concerning the infobox in the top right corner of the article can be found at Talk:African Americans/summary.

"Negroes" in the lead

As seen here (followup edit here), I reverted this edit by Rjensen because this matter was previously discussed and settled. As seen at Talk:African Americans/Archive 19#"Negro-American", a discussion which included me, DD2K (Dave Dial) and Soupforone, there was agreement to leave "negro" out of the lead because it's no longer a significant alternative term for a black person and runs afoul the WP:Offensive material guideline. Flyer22 Reborn (talk) 03:05, 21 November 2016 (UTC)

In the terms of the WP:Offensive material guideline, I don't see how the omission of "negro" or "negroes" from the lead is detrimental to the article. Flyer22 Reborn (talk) 03:13, 21 November 2016 (UTC)

POV-pushing socks.

I would ask everyone who has this page on their watchlist to please take a look at Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/HipHopVisionary. To me, it feels like these socks have been appearing at an increasing rate. Also, not every sockpuppet is as obvious as Illuminati89 was just now. WP:BEANS and all, but these socks most often push their POV in the form of drive-by tagging and adding negative statistics, and outside of this page there also seems to be an interest in hip hop musicians (Drake in particular). It's important to remember to WP:AGF, but just be wary when it comes to new accounts who match that description making suspicious edits to this article. Sro23 (talk) 21:19, 17 December 2016 (UTC)

African Americans vs Black Americans

Is there a reason why both terms don't have their own pages? I only ask because there are two different pages for White Americans and European Americans and maybe we should also do the same to refer to native Black Americans from the U.S. and African Americans who migrate from Africa. I'm just curious and wanted to know if we should separate the two terms or if on the contrary, we should merge both the White Americans and European Americans pages into one. AquilaXIII (talk) 09:21, 9 January 2017 (UTC)

According to the U.S. Census, white Americans include people of Middle Eastern and North African descent, so I can see the point of having two articles. On the other hand, black Americans and African Americans are synonymous. See Race and ethnicity in the United States Census. — MShabazz ^Talk/_Stalk 12:33, 9 January 2017 (UTC)

Many Black Americans of Caribbean descent reject the term African Americans for themselves and do see a similar distinction as between White and European Americans, with all African Americans being also Black Americans but not all Black Americans being African Americans.81.65.169.250 (talk) 23:53, 10 January 2017 (UTC)

That's their prerogative, but on Wikipedia, what matters is whether reliable sources make that distinction and they generally don't. The U.S. Census has a single category, "Black or African American". — MShabazz ^Talk/_Stalk 13:05, 12 January 2017 (UTC)

MShabazz: Your U.S. Census example proves my point. The phrase states, as you say, "Black OR African American" (emphasis added) (It actually states "Black, African Am., or Negro," but that is besides the point). If Black American and African American were always the same, it is superfluous to have both "Black" and "African." Clearly, the U.S. Census wording recognizes that there can be a difference between Black and African Americans. For statistical purposes, it simply lumps the two categories together, but that does not mean that Black and African cannot have distinct meanings. You can also think about this way, look at the category "Guamanian or Chamorro." I think you would agree that Guamanians and Chamorros are distinct but are being lumped together for a statistical purpose.81.65.169.250 (talk) 20:54, 2 February 2017 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 20 February 2017

I would like the sentence " In 2008, Barack Obama became the first African American to be elected President of the United States." replaced by " In 2008, Barack Obama became the first African American to be elected President of the United States, going on to be re-elected in 2012." 128.62.54.171 (talk) 19:51, 20 February 2017 (UTC)

Not done: I don't think that's necessary. He was the first AA president. We don't need to say he was also the second. Sir Joseph ^(talk) 19:57, 20 February 2017 (UTC)

@Sir Joseph: I wouldn't put it that way either. I thought quite a bit about how to word the sentence in order to emphasise that he was a popular enough statesman to be re-elected. I think you should accept my edit because it adds context. 128.62.54.171 (talk) 21:33, 21 February 2017 (UTC)