Talk:List of active separatist movements in Asia

saudi arabia

what is with Ahrar al-Najran Braganza (talk) 16:01, 8 September 2016 (UTC)

Sikkim

Hello! Any Indian Users Here? I would like to know if there is any support for Sikkimese independence over there. If you could help out in anyway, thank you!

-The2016 a.k.a FirestormBlizzard The2016 (talk) 08:39, 17 March 2017 (UTC)

Russia

The following movements have been removed from the Russian section under the argument that they are covered by the Siberian Regionalism article (where they are not mentioned at all and these are clearly separate though related ideologies: Siberian Regionalism appears to be about autonomy for a wider Siberian region whereas these movements seem to be about independence/autonomy for specific ethnic groups of Yakuts/Tuvans or for a state on the eastern coast). Either the Siberian Regionalism article needs to be improved to mention the history and inter-relationship with these movements, or they should be added back in here. I would like people's opinions and I would also like to remind people that just because you personally don't think any particular movement is notable is no reason to excise them from Wikipedia. A movement is not the same thing as a political party.

Sakha/Yakutia Yakuts

Tuva

Primorsky/Far East Halon8 (talk) 10:42, 23 March 2017 (UTC)

• First source, for example, tells about survey of public opinion: how many respondents would support a greater autonomy? This is not a separatist movement. Someone debating independence in social networks is also not a separatist movement. To have a political movement one needs some kind of organization, although not necessarily a political party. What organizations (names please) are advocating the separation? How many members/participants do they have? Who are their leaders, programs? None of sources above answer these questions. See Scottish independence, for example. This is a separatist movement. See Kurdish separatism in Iran. If you wish, you can try to create a page Separatism in Russia to see if there are any currently active separatist movements and what they are. My very best wishes (talk) 14:40, 23 March 2017 (UTC)

No, that's incorrect and disproved by the very article political movement that you linked to. A movement does not require any organisation. It is "a social group that operates together to obtain a political goal". A social group has been defined as "two or more people who interact with one another, share similar characteristics, and collectively have a sense of unity. Other theorists...etc" See also "A social movement is a set of opinions and beliefs in a population which represents preferences for changing some elements of the social structure and/or reward distribution of the society". Also p33 onwards but especially p35. The article on political movement could do with more work actually as it is lacking in various definitions. There is absolutely no requirement to identify organisations, programs or numbers (that appears to be your personal definition of a movement or you are confusing it with the definition of a party in that article), although if such information exists it does improve the article. Looking at the various definitions, a separatist movement might be a group of people with shared sentiment, people on facebook signing a petition, people going to protests, a big political party, or an underground network of violent terrorists - it's not up to us to decide the boundaries: if the source states that a 'separatist movement' or 'separatism' or 'separatists' exists, then that is all we can state. Whether or not a movement is notable is an entirely different question (which is not necessarily related to the size of the movement), and this is a question that should be discussed across the whole list rather than just Russian groups. I am unlikely to have the time or inclination to edit this article myself (or to create a separate article). The first source does discuss support for separatism (which can as I've explained can be described as a movement), but it also discusses the application of that support and elite activism with links to further sources e.g. "A demand for increased autonomy does not extend as far as a demand for complete independence. In that respect the claims of some Caucasian republics and Tuva are clearly an expression of outright separatism, but other ethnic republics mainly want control over their own resources and taxes." "Moreover, the high economic productivity and strong exporting power of the republics are the best predictors of separatist activism among leaders of the ethnic republics in the Russian Federation (Hale 2000; Treisman 1997)". I do not think this is the best source but it is an indication that the material should be included and better sources found (and the reference list in that article might be a good place to start looking for respected authors on the subject). Halon8 (talk) 03:09, 26 March 2017 (UTC)