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List of New Zealand Test cricket victories

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A long list of cruft that fails WP:GNG. Having a list of wins for any sporting team is not notable in itself. Lugnuts ^{Fire Walk with Me} 13:17, 14 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Delete for the reasons I gave when I Prodded it. Joseph2302 (talk) 18:05, 14 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete this list and move the information to the appropriate History of cricket in New Zealand article. – Ianblair23 (talk) 00:49, 15 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]
- Shouldn't do that per WP:MAD AIRcorn (talk) 17:49, 16 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]
- Then it's a merge, which is not a delete! -- Shudde ^talk 10:53, 17 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per WP:NOTSTATS and WP:LISTCRUFT/WP:FANCRUFT. Ajf773 (talk) 06:35, 15 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Trim and Rename to List of New Zealand Tests and merge in information from List of New Zealand Test cricket records. This article is basically a list of tests anyway and having a list of tests should be an acceptable and informative split from the already notable History of cricket in New Zealand (which would be too large if this information was merged directly into it). AIRcorn (talk) 17:49, 16 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per WP:NOTSTATS GreenCricket (talk) 05:58, 17 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Rename and Merge in content per Aircorn. A history of New Zealand cricket results is notable; so merging in losses and draws would be easily better than deleting all this content! I find some of the arguments a bit weak, basically saying it's cruft, but this is untrue, it's just incomplete. We have lists of 5-wicket hauls for individual players, but a list of victories by a Test-playing team is cruft? Really? -- Shudde ^talk 10:53, 17 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Comment Can someone explain to me which of the four points at WP:NOTSTATS (which the delete votes have all linked to) this list violates? Certainly not points 1, 2, or 4, and point 3 states "Excessive listings of unexplained statistics" -- but this is not unexplained at all, it's very well defined. -- Shudde ^talk 10:57, 17 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, – Juliancolton | ^Talk 01:00, 23 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]

(Reply to Shudde, above) NOTSTATS does not say that those are the only things that violate the policy. In this case, the policy violation is explained in the words "As explained in § Encyclopedic content above, merely being true, or even verifiable, does not automatically make something suitable for inclusion in the encyclopedia", which refers you to "Information should not be included in this encyclopedia solely because it is true or useful. A Wikipedia article should not be a complete exposition of all possible details, but a summary of accepted knowledge regarding its subject". --Guy Macon (talk) 08:10, 24 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Cricket is very much a game of stats. Almost all our featured lists are collections of stats (see Wikipedia:Featured lists#cricket. This is a relatively poor article, but that is not a reason for deletion. Also no one is currently saying the article should stay as it is. The concept of a list of tests is notable however, especially if it is considered a split from a countries history (I think it is notable in its own right, but am currently pushing for a much lower bar). I think Shuddes point is that this is more valid as a topic than many of the cricket lists currently accepted. AIRcorn (talk) 08:02, 26 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Clean up at least (I can help), neutral on deletion. J947^{^{^(c)}} 22:49, 25 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Do NOT delete This is a list of extremely notable events in NZ cricket history. Every NZ test victory makes the front page of the sports section of every metropolitan newspaper. If the victory was over a quality team such as Australia or England that would make the front page of every metropolitan newspaper.

There are many articles about cricket on Wikipedia with little or no "notability" such as:

2015–16 Plunket Shield season - just a list of some first class games in NZ in 2015-16 that will soon be forgotten.
2015 Cricket World Cup officials - a list of officials whose participation in this event has already been forgotten.
List of Sussex County Cricket Club grounds - a list that is of little interest to anyone outside of Sussex.

This is not just a list of stats. This following articles are far more a list of statistics than a "List of New Zealand Test cricket victories" and of much less notable events:

List of cricketers who have taken five-wicket hauls on Test debut
List of Pakistan cricketers who have taken five-wicket hauls on Test debut
List of Bangladesh cricketers who have taken five-wicket hauls on Test debut

The 6 other far less notable articles I have listed should not be deleted either.

The "List of New Zealand Test cricket victories" article certainly needs to be cleaned up/prettied up though.