Talk:Nivedita Menon

Introduction

I removed "symbol of resistance" twice now. First there is no citations to it. Second symbol and face etc of resitance is very PR style. This Wiki article is glaring in uncritical style. The Wire artile is pure PR and I think it is a basis for saying symbol of resistance. — Preceding unsigned comment added by MuthusamyJoseph (talk • contribs) 05:36, 4 October 2017 (UTC)

The lede is a summary of the article. Including her denials in the lede is undue weight, especially when we don't discuss the accusations in the lede either. What basis do you have for saying that the Wire piece is "PR"? Are you accusing the author of having some connection to Menon? If so, you need evidence for that. Please discuss the changes here, and stop reverting, per WP:BRD. Vanamonde (talk) 08:03, 4 October 2017 (UTC)

It doesnt summarise article. Summary should be that she is one of academics who took position against Hindutva and she said less than other academics. So it is very mystery to us that she is a symbol? How? Please do not be aggressive and let us keep a neutral unbiased article of Prof Menon. — Preceding unsigned comment added by MuthusamyJoseph (talk • contribs) 08:13, 4 October 2017 (UTC)

It is cited in the body as required, to the Neha Dixit article. You have now made three revert on this article. If you make another, you are liable to be blocked, per WP:3RR. Please discuss the issue here, and reach consensus instead of edit-warring. Vanamonde (talk) 08:29, 4 October 2017 (UTC)

I and people of my kind are new in Wiki. We too want to have a say. We could find only one article on Menon saying she has some important role in JNU politics. It is Neha Dixit article in Wire. This article never says Menon is a symbol in India. It is PR because it never question Menon at all. We found that several professors of JNU are equal in protesting and are getting persecution. So this Wiki entry raise suspicions. Very very important matter. Her denials carry no weight? If she denied saying things which make her symbol and she respects deep Hinduism it makes it very suspicious that she is criticised and is symbol of resistance. Please be reasoning with me? I am also learning the Wiki for my friends. So forgive for any errors of any kind. Kind regards. — Preceding unsigned comment added by MuthusamyJoseph (talk • contribs) 17:34, 4 October 2017 (UTC)

If you are new to Wikipedia, I suggest you start by reading WP:DUE, WP:RS, and WP:OSE. Try to understand how they apply here. Neutrality isn't achieved by including criticism by political figures, and denials of those: neutrality is achieved by balancing perspectives in reliable sources. Which is why her denials are inappropriate, especially in the lead. If other professors played a role in the JNU protests, that is a matter for their articles, not here. If they do not have articles, you could see whether they meet the guideline on notability. If they do, then write an article. If they don't; well, that's too bad. Vanamonde (talk) 04:36, 5 October 2017 (UTC)

I am reading the WP sections. But Sir I have serious question. Why you saying that it is symbol of resistance? It is not show by the rest of article. It shows the professor mysteriously had fame and reknown for not saying and not doing any thing. One article in spite of that says the professor instigate the protests. But JNU protest starts with Dalit students and then Kashmir protest. Kanhaiya Kumar was arrested first. Menon said "nothing" but was criticized. So how is it following to "symbol of resistance"? You know political figure is wrongly represented like Menon in this Wiki page many causes can also suffer? Consequence happens? So please do not say "symbol of resistance". It is very unethical to doing this.

Controversy section

I've just removed this section for the second time, for several reasons. First, youtube is not a reliable source. The only remotely reliable source that was added was the zee news article; and all that shows is that she was criticized on twitter. Criticisms on twitter are a common enough occurrence that reporting them here is not appropriate. If you wish to include criticism of Menon, find reliable secondary sources making those criticisms, or reporting criticisms made by notable figures. Vanamonde93 (talk) 06:53, 11 March 2016 (UTC)

Dear Vanamonde93 — Preceding unsigned comment added by Shivabhawani (talk • contribs) 10:06, 11 March 2016 (UTC)

It seems to me that you are trying to hid the facts which was not officially denied even by Nivedita Menon herself. If you are working on behalf of the Professor, please let her know that She must standby what she believe and told. if not than please help me in understanding the following:

1. The Open air lecture for which video was uploaded not only of Nivedita Menon but other professors also , and it was tele-casted on all news channels including Zee-News.So may i include the videos from these new channels as a reliable source.

2. What is the definition of "Notable Figure". If the New Agency are reporting the twitter war, the references should be considered.

3. The Second video authenticity is confirmed by herself. Please follow the link. http://scroll.in/article/804881/manufacturing-anti-nationals-look-whos-talking-about-doctored-videos

As per my understanding these allegation are not officially accepted by the Nivedita Menon nor it is proved in court, that is way the saction name is CONTROVERSY.

--Shivabhawani (talk) 07:48, 11 March 2016 (UTC)

You need reliable secondary sources to include in Wikipedia. YouTube video of the speech is not a secondary source. You could add the zee news article, but then you can add only what is mentioned in that article. If that is just the twitter attacks, that probably is not notable. GreenOrca (talk) 13:13, 11 March 2016 (UTC)