Talk:List of router and firewall distributions

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Not sure how to cite, but...

I don't know how to cite things, I'm not even good at using wikipedia (not sure if I'm doing this right, either)... But at the end, where it says a citation is needed for Zeroshell, I have the page: http://www.zeroshell.net/ And here's the page explaining about the QoS: http://www.zeroshell.net/qos/

Could someone cite this for me? Because I don't know how —Preceding unsigned comment added by 96.245.199.6 (talk) 12:11, 17 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Better handled as a category

I'm pretty certain that this page would be better handled as a category. Suggest making it a redirect to the cateogory page. --Joewski 20:56, 30 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

pfsense is FreeBSD based

I humbly suggest that the pfsense link be removed. Tdelporto 00:35, 9 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

M0n0wall is BSD-based too. Should this page rename "open source" for "Linux"? Linux Is Not UNIX, after all... 216.135.32.188 (talk) 16:40, 3 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

XORP might need included

www.xorp.org might need included. It uses BSD license & is free. Also, I think vyatta is based on xorp. vyatta is both community and commercial. www.vyatta.org & www.vyatta.com —Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.223.173.45 (talk) 22:19, 19 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

why only Linux ?

Why does this list only seem to contain Linux operating systems ? No every router is based on Linux.—Preceding unsigned comment added by Bluezy (talk • contribs) 09:10, 3 March 2010

Most have some Unix base or are proprietary. I believe that Windows Server versions can also route. Andyoutside (talk) 08:09, 12 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Kerio missing

Kerio Connect (was Winroute) is missing from the list. It is available as a virtual appliance for VMWare. www.kerio.com — Preceding unsigned comment added by BruceJStedman (talk • contribs) 19:40, 14 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

IPFire missing

http://distrowatch.com/table.php?distribution=ipfire — Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.121.48.98 (talk) 10:08, 30 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

added NethServer

I added NethServer as a Firewall/UTM distributution to the list. No dedicated page for NethServer exists yet. I hope the NethServer community can work on this in the near future. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Rob.bosch (talk • contribs) 11:26, 28 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

More info

It would be nice if there'd be more separation in terms of free for personal use, free for commercial use, and so on.

And also, if we'd have a list of which of them have features such as QoS for example, it would be great.

Thanks! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.131.139.26 (talk) 23:31, 12 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Removal of OPNsense

Mr.hmm you have removed OPNsense from this page several times and given the following reasons:

1. stop inserting OPNsense self-promotion
2. Stop abusing wikipedia
3. OPNsense is non-notable project which is known to abuse Wikipedia

I do not believe any of those to be true, would you please explain in more detail why you believe OPNsense does not have a right to be listed here. Here are some links that would seems to suggest this is a project that does belong on this page: OPNsense website OPNsense Forums OPNsense Github Deciso OPNsense Wikipedia DE OPNsense Distrowatch OPNsense FLOSS Weekly OPNsense Giovino1 (talk) 14:39, 25 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Across Wikipedia, if software doesn't have a Wikipedia article, then it typically gets removed from tables. • Sbmeirow • Talk • 13:39, 25 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Sbmeirow - First, I'd like to see the Wikipedia policy that explains that having an article is a prerequisite to being included in a table, please point that out. To be clear, there is an existing Wikipedia article at https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/OPNsense, granted it's German, but I find it unbelievable that a page in English hasn't, at some point, been created. If it was created, that someone likely deleted it for their own purpose.

Second, for completeness, it should be included. The Wikipedia purpose page clearly states it's purpose as "acting as an encyclopedia, a comprehensive written compendium". Removing OPNSense because a user arbitrarily believes it to be self-promoting, abusive, or "non-notable" weakens credibility and accuracy of Wikipedia. I find it to be a valuable and viable tool and very notable, including many online articles that reference OPNSense, including Wikipedia articles. For the purpose of Wikipedia, it should be included in this table to make it a comprehensive compendium. If you wish to filter it to suit your own purpose, then you should find another site where that may be appropriate. I cannot use this list as it is currently filtered and tainted by biases and not allowed to be complete. ComputerRick (talk) 01:34, 24 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Sbmeirow- thank you for this feedback, I was not aware of this general rule. Giovino1 (talk) 14:39, 25 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

I have removed three other entries with no articles. Another editor removed OPNsense again. Meters (talk) 22:25, 11 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]

That is - and I apologize beforehand for my bluntness - an incredibly stupid decision. I am a network admin in search of a firewall / router distribution, and I used this list as a reference. I would LOVED to have opnSense in this list two days ago, and I just stumbled on it by chance. I don't actually care that there seems to be an ugly war going on between those projects, and I also don't care *at all* whether the mentioned projectshave their own entry in WP. I just know that it would have been USEFUL to me to have opnSense in this list two days ago. So if you think these kind of lists are relevant, then please include the goddamn active distributions out there. And, while I'm on it, the entry for ... well, for example, pfSense, is really encyclopedia-worthy. Not. The-Me (talk) 20:28, 19 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Removed two more with no articles. User:The-Me is welcome to write articles about any of the missing distributions. I won't hold my breath since it appears likely he is another one of the many SPAs trying to list OPNsense without an article. Meters (talk) 20:15, 23 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]

I agree, it's most likely one of their puppet accounts trying to promote OPNsense. Admins have intervened many times because of it. OPNsense is non-notable and there's no need to mention it. Mr.hmm (talk) 11:44, 4 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Unbelievable discussion right here! OPNSense definetly belongs into this list. Not having an article in wikipedia is definetly no reason for not being mentioned. If it would be common to do so, all entries in this list without article should be removed as well. But that would be stupid, because information would be lost, even if there is no article to that entry. FrankyFire (talk) 18:59, 30 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]

@FrankyFire: listing only programs with Wikipedia articles is actually quite a good way of filtering them, as it provides a fixed boundary as to whether inclusion is warranted or not. If you can prove that OPNSense passes WP:GNG, feel free to write an article about it.

As a side note, the example you provided is not one to follow as that list is marked with a plethora of cleanup tags. Thanks — Quasar G. 19:21, 30 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]

@Quasar G.:,

I can purchase hardware specific to the OPNSense distro, and/or recommending this distro, at multiple locations including:

* http://www.pfwhardware.com/

* http://www.firewallhardware.it/

* https://www.applianceshop.eu/

* https://www.miniserver.it/

* https://www.pcengines.ch/

It is more beneficial to me, as a user, to know about the active OPNSense project, than it is to know about the defunct m0n0wall project.

Indeed, the Author of m0n0wall now directs people to the OPNSense project - http://m0n0.ch/wall/hardware.php

It seems pretty obvious to me, as an outsider without any investment in ANY of the products, that OPNSense certainly meets WP:GNG, and I'm happy to report this continued feud to Admins, if pfSense fans continue to vandalize this page as a result.

I've run pfSense myself for close to 10 years now, and was looking for replacement hardware when I stumbled across this feud. It is childish, and benefits no-one.

Additionally, @Sbmeirow:, as outlined above, OPNSense DOES have a wikipage, it just hasn't been translated from German yet. I do not know German, and am unfamiliar with wiki formatting, or else I'd do it myself.

Peter.dolkens (talk) 22:30, 31 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]

@Peter.dolkens: the software does not appear to pass the GNG, as seen by the outcome of this deletion discussion. I'm going to try and get the page protected, as well as opening a sockpuppet investigation regarding the suspiciously large amount of single-purpose accounts trying to add OPNSense to this list. In the meantime, I recommend you work on this draft. — Quasar G. 22:54, 31 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]

There was a wikipedia page (see here https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/Incidents&diff=prev&oldid=738942462 for more info). Mr.hmm (talk · contribs) is on a personal campaign to ensure that OPNSense is not allowed any presence on any page and has succeeded in deleting the page and references on multiple pages. If you check is contribs, you would see that seems to be his only mission, to promote pfSense and delete OPNSense. As to your claim that it's GNG, I would point you to the place where ensured that the original OPNSense article was deleted. He's abusing the system and for anyone to not look at his contribs and not be able to see that he's clearly acting in a fascist manner to suppress something he doesn't agree with, then I will not find a fair arena to be heard here and I have lost faith in in Wikipedia. Ignore the evidence, facts, and behavior of those involved and support censorship. ComputerRick (talk) 10:16, 26 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]