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Flemings speak Dutch, really?

I have found this statement once in the lede and once in the article and I cannot agree with it. While dutch - or rather Flemish - is the main spoken language this does not mean that that it is the sole language. There have always been - and there are still - French speaking minorities on the territory of the Flemish Region, in particular in Ghent. For many centuries the Flemish elites were used to speak French while common people spoke Flemish. Therefore stating that Flemings speak Dutch is a generalisation who does not correspond to the reality or give the wrong impression that you cannot be Fleming if you are speaking something else than Flemish. --Lebob (talk) 12:01, 7 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

At this time and age, I believe many Flemings would argue that the Dutch language is an intrinsical part of their identity. Someone living in Flanders not speaking Dutch would likely not be considered an ethnic Fleming, be it rightly or wrongly. In my view, this makes the Flemish identity different from some/many other ethnic identities which put less emphasis on language in their identity. I am happy to be convinced otherwise though if credible sources are used. Morgengave (talk) 20:22, 9 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

So this means that the people who live in the French side what is still Flanders are not Flemish anymore because they usually speak French and not Flemish? --Lebob (talk) 07:41, 12 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Fact is that nowadays there is (afaik; and I would be glad to be proven wrong) very little shared identity between the French Flemish and the contemporary Flemish (as in: "northern Belgians"). So, to the extent that the French Flemish still identify as Flemish, it can certainly be noted that the vast majority of them speak French nowadays, but in my opinion that should be noted as a separate explanation due to the reason I just gave. Same goes for the historical use of French by upper class Flemings: it can be noted but does not change the fact that Dutch is nowadays the lingua franca, with French probably even being less spoken than e.g. Turkish. SPQRobin (talk) 12:30, 14 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

The propaganda that Flemings (the far greater share of the Belgium population) speak "Flemish" and not Dutch is an old Francophone imperialist tool to belittle and lessen the standing and rights of the majority of Belgiums. — Preceding unsigned comment added by [[User:{{{1}}}|{{{1}}}]] ([[User talk:{{{1}}}|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/{{{1}}}|contribs]])

Nobody is claiming that Belgian Dutch is Flemish (which exists but only as a family of dialects of Dutch, just like the Netherlands hosts several families of Dutch dialects), as nobody is claiming either that Belgian French should be called Walloon. Arnoutf (talk) 17:07, 6 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]

To clearify this old discussion for those who still read this: frist of all, flemish is not a language, it is the collectieve term for all Dutch dialects spoken in Flanders. Secondly: In Belgium, those who speak French are never considered Flemish, in France in the former departement of Nord-pas de Calais, this is different, there there are ethnical flemings who speak French and identify themselves still as being flemish. Falco iron (talk) 14:59, 8 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Do you have any reliable sources for this assertion. Note, also, that I've reverted this edit as being a) unsourced; b) redundant. Wikipedia is built on reliable sources, not anyone's personal opinion. --Iryna Harpy (talk) 19:51, 10 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Why was the picture infobox on famous Flemish people deleted?

It took me a very long time to set it up, and now someone has unceremoniously deleted it. WHY? Tavernsenses (talk) 10:06, 20 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]

RfC can be found here Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Ethnic groups#Proposal for the deletion of all the galleries of personalities from the articles about ethnic groups. Gerard von Hebel (talk) 17:42, 20 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]

The gallery of personalities from the infobox

I invite everybody to post their opinions at Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Ethnic_groups#The_necessity_of_galleries_of_personalities_in_the_infoboxes Hahun (talk) 11:38, 26 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

RfC can be found here Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Ethnic groups#Proposal for the deletion of all the galleries of personalities from the articles about ethnic groups. Gerard von Hebel (talk) 02:15, 1 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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Misleading wording: "French-dialect speaking population" (the historic Belgium Romance tungs are not French offshoots)

Would it not be more truthful to say somesuch as:

'Romance-dialect speaking population'

or haps:

'Walloon-dialect speaking population'

Ironic the historic NWO/Francophone imperialist agenda not to call the Flemish tung (what it is) Dutch, when in truth, it is the sundry Romance tungs that should be asundered from French as they are NOT dialects thereof. Belgium folk (not speaking Dutch/Flemish or German) do not speak a dialect of French. The Romance pidjins of Belgium are self-rooting tungs. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.104.162.35 (talk) 01:12, 27 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]

An seemingly important big chunk of text needs rewriting...

Seems important. Shame it is hard to follow...

"In 1830 the southern provinces of the United Netherlands proclaimed their independence. French-dialect speaking population, as well as the administration and elites, feared the loss of their status and autonomy under Dutch rule while the rapid industrialization in the south highlighted economic differences between the two. Under French rule (1794–1815), French was enforced as the only official language in public life, resulting in a Frenchification of the elites and, to a lesser extent, the middle classes. The Dutch King allowed the use of both Dutch and French dialects as administrative languages in the Flemish provinces. He also enacted laws to reestablish Dutch in schools.[8] The language policy was not the only cause of the secession; the Roman Catholic majority viewed the sovereign, the Protestant William I, with suspicion and were heavily stirred by the Roman Catholic Church which suspected William of wanting to enforce Protestantism. Lastly, Belgian liberals were dissatisfied with William for his allegedly despotic behaviour.[citation needed]

Following the revolt, the language reforms of 1823 were the first Dutch laws to be abolished and the subsequent years would see a number of laws restricting the use of the Dutch language.[9] This policy led to the gradual emergence of the Flemish Movement, that was built on earlier anti-French feelings of injustice, as expressed in writings (for example by the late 18th-century writer, Jan Verlooy) which criticized the Southern Francophile elites. The efforts of this movement during the following 150 years, have to no small extent facilitated the creation of the de jure social, political and linguistic equality of Dutch from the end of the 19th century.[citation needed]"