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Nassar

Why is absolutely nobody reporting his place of birth? Strange, for any article by such a prominent name in Wiki articles. This source reports that he is an Egyptian by birth but does not give the city of birth: https://everipedia.org/wiki/larry-g-nassar/ Why is no source reporting on his immigration history and under what category or status he was allowed into the United States?Starhistory22 (talk) 02:09, 13 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]

@Starhistory22: Are you asking why this Wikipedia article does not list his place of birth? Or are you asking why news outlets are not reporting it? Because if it is the latter, please do not use Wikipedia as a forum. This talk page is supposed to be used only for discussions about improving this article. Also, Everipedia is not a reliable source. A quick google search gives me "Farmington Hills, Michigan" as his place of birth. Bennv3771 (talk) 03:33, 13 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]

To take this subject a step further, I think it odd that there is no separate entry on "Dr." Nassar. In light of the massive media reporting on this matter and the involvement of many other people and institutions who/that are covered here, it seems as though a decision was made somewhere to NOT publish background info on the person who sits right in the bullseye of the matter. Where was he born? School? Where'd he work? All questions that should be public information by now. — Preceding unsigned comment added by BridgewaterContributor (talk • contribs) 18:05, 18 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

@BridgewaterContributor: Feel free to help work on Larry Nassar if you feel so strongly about this. At the end of the day, Wikipedia is a voluntary effort. If an article on a notable subject doesn't exist, feel free to step up and volunteer your time and effort to creating it. Bennv3771 (talk) 16:48, 19 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Split

I think there's enough information and notability for an article on Larry Nassar, and information on him does not entirely fit in this page, because at least one woman who was not a gymnast has testified in court that he abused her. Natureium (talk) 16:32, 17 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

@Natureium: Fyi, there used to be an article for Larry Nassar but it was deleted per AfD consensus. This was almost a year ago though, so perhaps those issues are no longer relevant (I haven't looked into it so I have no idea). Just something to keep in mind if you want to create another Larry Nassar article. Bennv3771 (talk) 00:09, 18 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, we've gone far beyond the current title "USA Gymnastics sex abuse scandal." It wasn't just USA gymnastics. It was many sports and it happened at Michigan State, too. There's enough for a Michigan State sex abuse scandal article. Fluous (talk) 20:13, 18 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]
It's not limited to Michigan State either. I'm going to start the Larry Nassar article. Natureium (talk) 21:03, 18 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]
We have a Larry Nassar sex abuse scandal currently redirecting here. If his abuse extended well beyond USA gymnastics, we should turn that into an article and this article into a redirect instead or merge everything here onto Larry Nassar. 69.118.34.223 (talk) 02:07, 20 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]
@69.118.34.223: You can start a requested move discussion at the bottom of this talk page. If consensus is for the title change then this article can be moved to the new title. Bennv3771 (talk) 02:18, 20 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

first degree ?

What does "first degree" of sexual assualt mean? If these "degrees" are something official, can someone make a wiki-page about it? If they are not something official, this page lacks clarity imho. Do people reading this really have to assume things? Surely, I don't lack imagination. Or, if it doesn't matter how bad things were specifically, can we remove the "first degree"? (English is not my mothertongue. Maybe I misunderstood something.) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A02:A03F:3FB0:F000:C1CC:329B:4750:49F7 (talk) 23:36, 17 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

@2A02:A03F:3FB0:F000:C1CC:329B:4750:49F7: Yes, "first degree" is an official thing. It is covered briefly in Felony, and may be covered more in-depth in another Wikipedia article. Bennv3771 (talk) 00:05, 18 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Why does this pagespace focus solely on the actions of a single bad actor?

If one was to do a reasonable search for '"USA Gymnastics sex abuse scandal" -nassar' one sees:

  • an article from Sports Illustrated about the USOC and USAG. Specifically the article references the ways USAG failed to adequately address the 2011 allegations of crimes by coaches Doug Boger[1][2][3] and the late Marvin Sharp.[4][5] Says Michael Rosenberg, the SI author: "Keep that in mind as you hear about this “gymnastics scandal.” It’s not just a gymnastics scandal; it’s a window into how most governing bodies operate."
  • this Hollywood Life article about claims that USAG tried to cover up allegations and prevent coaches from accountability, mentioning Sharp and Georgia coach William McCabe[6][7]
  • an enormous body of reporting from the Indianapolis Star which is mentioned three times in the pagespace, but the names of the other convicted coaches and resigned board members aren't mentioned, though their actions (or inactions) are thoroughly documented by the Star.

How has this article evolved into the Larry Nassar sexual assault page? This is about a lot more than one perpetrator. This is about a culture of ignoring reports and covering for coaches. Coverage of this scandal is limited to a single sentence paragraph. This stuff is well documented by diverse reliable independent sources. BusterD (talk) 03:59, 23 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

References

  1. ^ "Gymnasts Accuse Colorado Coach Of Sex Abuse, Torture". CBSDenver. February 9, 2012. Retrieved 23 January 2018.
  2. ^ Wian, Casey (March 31, 2012). "Former gymnasts claim systemic physical, sexual abuse by ex-coach". CNN. Retrieved 23 January 2018.
  3. ^ Reid, Scott (October 2, 2011). "An 'overwhelming feeling of dread'". Orange County Register. Retrieved 23 January 2018.
  4. ^ Bonesteel, Matt (August 25, 2015). "Top U.S. gymnastics coach Marvin Sharp arrested on suspicion of child molestation". Washington Post. Retrieved 23 January 2018.
  5. ^ Chapman, Sandra (September 21, 2015). "Gymnastics coach Marvin Sharp was facing new child pornography charges at time of death". WITR.com. Retrieved 23 January 2018.
  6. ^ Robinson, Wills (August 4, 2016). "USA gymnastics 'enabled coaches to keep sexually abusing girls as young as 10 by repeatedly not reporting cases of abuse'". The Daily Mail. Retrieved 23 January 2018.
  7. ^ Lapook, Jonathan (February 19, 2017). "Former Team USA gymnasts describe doctor's alleged sexual abuse". 60 Minutes. CBS News. Retrieved 23 January 2018.

Use of "alleged" is no longer appropriate?

It seems like statements in the article such as: "In a statement posted to Instagram on November 21, 2017, Olympic gold medalist Gabby Douglas said she was also a victim of Nassar's alleged abuse" are no longer appropriate? Nassar has pled guilty to the crimes - it's not alleged anymore - it's proven. He did these things in the eyes of the court and government. Any objection to removing this language? Stevemidgley (talk) 21:03, 24 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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