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stylistic origins

i think we should add Punk Rock or Hardcore Punk to this section because many Rap Rock bands like Beastie Boys, Rage Against The Machine etc, are influenced by these genre's 81.96.254.143 (talk) 20:20, 9 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Yes I agree if nobody does add it then I will... ^

RFC: Merger

Should any of the articles: Rap rock, Rap metal, Rapcore be merged into a general article? --neon white talk 23:39, 27 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

No they are three different genres and wikipedia with its articles should not be general. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Weezerfan1 (talk • contribs) 19:36, 29 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

There is no evidence of that and evidence to the contrary. In fact, wikipedia encourages more encompassing articles where there is a subject overlap. --neon white talk 19:58, 29 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
There is a lot of evidence, just none that fits your POV. (Sugar Bear (talk) 01:12, 30 June 2009 (UTC))[reply]
Rather than arguing back and forth, Ibaranoff, why not share all this evidence with us? I have yet to see it, why are you holding out on us? Landon1980 (talk) 03:23, 1 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Editors have repeatedly asked for this allusive evidence and have been either met with accusations or simply blanked. Maybe you are not understanding what is required here (although it has been explained several times) simply pointing to articles that contain various terms being used is not evidence that these genres are of sufficient difference to justify seperate articles on very similar subjects, we need an explaination of the major difference and if in fact this is not possibly and there is no significant evidence we can merge two poor articles into one good article and improve wikipedia by doing so. I cannot understand the objection to this routine process. --neon white talk 14:33, 2 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
I am through with you two. If you do not focus on the edits, content, and sourcing, instead of repeatedly making the same needless, untrue accusations over and over again, I will not respond to you. You two are clearly being disruptive and unhelpful, and have no intentions of improving Wikipedia. The articles in question are not "poor". They are perfectly fine, considering the limited coverage of these genres, which is understandable considering the fact that the subgenres rap metal and rapcore lack mainstream appeal (a related genre, acid rap, has a similarly small article). (Sugar Bear (talk) 18:24, 2 July 2009 (UTC))[reply]
No-one is making accusations aside from yourself. Those involved have asked multiple times for you to provide sources to back up your assertions, we been more than patient in waiting for sources that may be important to the decision but waiting indefinitely in not an option and at this point it doesnt seem likely that they will be provided. If these sources do not existed please say so and we can continue the discussions without needlessly stalling on this point. There is no reason why you cannot be heavily involved in either imporving these article or in creating a good quality general article on rap/rock fusions. --neon white talk 18:06, 4 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
There is no reason why you cannot stop making false accusations, and insulting others who do not share your point of view. There is clearly enough sources for separate articles. (Sugar Bear (talk) 21:22, 6 July 2009 (UTC))[reply]
Nobody is doing that but you. All other editors are being very reasonable. The sources do not exist or you wouldnt be so reluctant to provide them, i think that has been established. --neon white talk 22:17, 6 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • the three pages are almost identical. there are clearly sections that have been copied and pasted and used in each of the three. i came here to figure out the difference between the three, and as far as i can see, there is no clearly distinguishable sound that is defined that can separate the three, as according to these three pages. I read three wikipedia pages and learned nothing, which means, to me, there are problems with these pages. also, the nu-metal should be included with these. peace. Sycotherejekt (talk) 05:02, 25 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Asian influence

There are a lot of asian bands with this type of influence. Its like a combination of pop-rock, and hip hop. The asian scene of hip rock. Maybe contribute to some history behind that. Hip rock is rap and pop rock.

World Destruction

The Time Zone (band) article says "World Destruction" is the first real rap rock song, predating Run-DMC and Aerosmith's "Walk This Way". If this is acknowledged anywhere in print, please add it to this article, and add a citation to the Time Zone article as well. Thanks. —mjb (talk) 06:15, 29 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Ice-T and House of Pain had early rap rock influence

Ice-T's O.G. (Original Gangster) album from 1991 included the rock group Body Count, and House of Pain's self-titled debut from 1992 included a rap rock remix of Shamrocks & Shenanigans as the last song on the album. Both Ice-T and House of Pain would later contribute to the Judgment Night album from 1993 (with Ice-T collaborating with Slayer and House of Pain collaborating with Helmet).

76.123.177.103 (talk) 02:53, 20 September 2010 (UTC)RapRockFan[reply]

Rapcore and rap metal

"Rap rock is often confused with rap metal and rapcore"

This statement is innacurate. Rap rock cannot be confused with it's subgenres. That's just like saying "Metal is often confused with thrash metal and death metal" or "Rap is often confused with hardcore rap and gangsta rap". I'm going to change this statement to make it more accurate. Metalfan72 (talk) 19:24, 20 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

the difference between rap rock & rap metal

the difference between these two genres isn't clearly defined enough, after reading both articles one could assume they are the exact same genre, and virtually every artist tagged as rap rock could also fall under rap metal — Preceding unsigned comment added by I call the big one bitey (talk • contribs) 00:36, 10 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Someone add Hollywood Undead to this page

They are a fairly influential band, with around 3 million fans on Facebook. They have songs ranging so many genres. (And yes they are a rap rock band, and are included in the list of rap rock bands) I would add them myself but I have no idea where they would fit — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.192.81.190 (talk) 03:13, 5 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Merger Discussion

Result - oppose, no merge. Subtropical-man 23:38, 29 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

Request received to merge articles: Crunkcore into Rap rock; discussion restarted December 2015; discussion here. GenQuest "Talk to Me"

  • Oppose: While I agree that there are many similarities between crunkcore and rap rock, and crunkcore could probably be considered a subgenre of rap rock, I haven't seen this discussed in sources. Hollywood Undead has been called both crunkcore and rap rock, but that just means that they perform both genres. Basically, at most, crunkcore is a subgenre of rap rock, though I'm not sure that is mentioned in reliable sources. But, even with that, why should these two genre articles be merged? There's plenty written on crunkcore for it to have it's own article, and it's not the same thing as rap rock, even if it is a subgenre of that genre.--3family6 (Talk to me | See what I have done) 18:43, 13 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose: 'Crunkcore isn't a rock genre in the slightest. It's really a hip hop/pop/techno genre. There isn't any guitars or any other rock instruments in it and it doesn't sound anything like rock at all. Just cause it has screaming doesn't mean it's rock. I mean Eminem's song "Kim" has screaming but that song is horrorcore and horrorcore is a hip hop subgenre. Lil Jon screams and he isn't rock at all. Screaming isn't what makes a song rock. A lot of rock bands don't scream. Crunkcore may have screamo vocals but that doesn't make it rock at all. I think I heard turntable scratching in the song "Complicated" by Avril Lavigne and that song is NOT hip hop in the slightest (turntable scratching is done in hip hop). Crunkcore is NOT rock in the slightest. Crunkcore uses elements of techno music, crunk music, dance music, electronic music and pop music. Crunkcore does NOT use elements of rock music. Crunkcore has been coined by music critics and it's what artists/groups such as Brokencyde are categorized as.
67.80.51.248 (talk) 01:05, 26 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]
That's not entirely true. Family Force 5, for one, at least in their early period, utilized rock, especially metal, elements in their music. That's the only crunkcore band that I listen to, so I can't speak for others.--3family6 (Talk to me | See what I have done) 06:12, 26 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]
That means they mixed crunkcore with rock/metal, but Brokencyde clearly don't have any elements of rock/metal in their music (screaming doesn't count) and Brokencyde are like the pioneers of crunkcore so obviously we shouldn't merge crunkcore with rap rock. Crunkcore is a term that was coined by critics and there is a page on About.com that's all about what crunkcore is. (http://punkmusic.about.com/od/punktionary/g/Crunckore.htm) 97.33.0.89 (talk) 02:11, 27 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]
I don't disagree. I wouldn't use that About.com article, as per the critic's table for the site, Ryan Cooper probably isn't reliable as a source. But everything in that About.com article is mentioned by other sources elsewhere.--3family6 (Talk to me | See what I have done) 02:26, 27 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support: Crunkcore absolutely has elements of rock, noticeable in bands such as Hollywood Undead. Critiques have in the past compared to sounding like a modern day version of such luminaries of the rap rock scene such as Limp Bizkit and Linkin Park, and emphasised that it is a Fallout Boy meat Lil Wayne style aka 2007 rap rock. The style is pretty much defunct (3oh3's comeback is not sighted by notable sources, neither was brokencyde's aborted attempt at one. Either merging it or in a few years it'll be a stub noting a lot of band sounded like the lonely island taking themselves seriously. Syxxpackid420 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.12.13.224 (talk) 13:12, 27 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]
    Oppose: Crunkcore is far too influenced by electronic music to be considered a mere sub-variant of rap rock. Its origins came much later, and many tracks in the genre are electronic dance music that happen to have vocals that combine Auto-Tune, rapping, and screaming. There are bands that walk the line between the two genres--case in point, Hollywood Undead--but unlike rapcore, most crunkcore bands don't also qualify as rap rock. brokenCYDE is a good example of this; sure, they have rapping and screaming, but they also have no dedicated guitarist and their instrumentals tend to not include them at all, instead relying on synthesizers. It draws on a pool of influences far wider than rap rock's, and is far too distinct to be merged with the article for rap rock. Dirty West (talk) 05:55, 1 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]
    Oppose: Sure Crunkcore has noticeable rap-rock elements, but it is ABSOLUTELY it's own genre, possibly the successor of rap-rock. Crunkcore has noticeable EDM/electropop influence where rap-rock does not. It's a microgenre, whereas rap-rock is a fusion genre. Some Crunkcore artists don't even rely on rap-rock influences (specifically, brokenCYDE). Aleccat (talk) 18:35, 5 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose: Brokencyde? Rap rock? Nope. There is NOTHING rock about Brokencyde, Dot Dot Curve, Millionaires, etc. Hollywood Undead just mix crunk with rock or mix crunkcore with rock. Crunkcore hardly ever has guitars, has too many elements of crunk, techno, pop and electronic and therefore isn't rock. THIS SONG by the Beastie Boys is real rap rock. EuropeanSwedenAmerican2222 (talk) 19:39, 9 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose: Inasmuch as i consider Crunkcore to be a genre of rap rock, what exactly makes that rationale to merge the two? They have very different scenes, whole different cultural impacts, etc. What justification is there for a merge?Hadomaru (talk) 05:02, 12 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]
The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

Allmusic overload

Could we have less citations from just Allmusic please? Honestly, sometimes browsing music oriented articles you'd think these guys were the gospel or something. Half of this article reads like an add for the website. There's five mentions of them in three paragraphs. Compiling entire paragraphs by just copying from one single source can't be a good idea. 82.173.192.255 (talk) 22:03, 13 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]

82.173.192.255: Go ahead and add some content from other sources, then. I could try to work on this article some more myself, but I've got so many things I'm working on that it might be a while. If you could help, please do so.--3family6 (Talk to me | See what I have done) 06:02, 14 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]

No mention of Red Hot Chili Peppers ?

According to the article the first rap rock album seems to be Licensed to Ill (1986). But what about the first The Red Hot Chili Peppers album released in 1984 ? Doesn't it deserve to be mentioned ? I think this album is definitely rap rock. Elfast (talk) 15:50, 8 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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