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Age difference between U.S. presidents and their vice presidents

Table

President & vice president Older Age difference Days Time span Events
1 George Washington 1 John Adams POTUS 3 years, 250 days 1346 7 years, 317 days 2,874 1789-04-21 – 1797-03-04 inauguration – inauguration
2 John Adams 2 Thomas Jefferson POTUS 7 years, 165 days 2722 4 years, 0 days 1,460 1797-03-04 – 1801-03-04 inauguration – inauguration
3 Thomas Jefferson 3 Aaron Burr POTUS 12 years, 299 days 4682 4 years, 0 days 1,461 1801-03-04 – 1805-03-04 inauguration – inauguration
3 Thomas Jefferson 4 George Clinton VEEP 3 years, 261 days -1357 4 years, 0 days 1,461 1805-03-04 – 1809-03-04 inauguration – inauguration
4 James Madison 4 George Clinton VEEP 11 years, 233 days -4251 3 years, 47 days 1,143 1809-03-04 – 1812-04-20 inauguration – death (VP)
4 James Madison 5 Elbridge Gerry VEEP 6 years, 242 days -2433 1 year, 264 days 629 1813-03-04 – 1814-11-23 inauguration – death (VP)
5 James Monroe 6 Daniel D. Tompkins POTUS 16 years, 54 days 5898 8 years, 0 days 2,922 1817-03-04 – 1825-03-04 inauguration – inauguration
6 John Quincy Adams 7 John C. Calhoun POTUS 14 years, 250 days 5364 4 years, 0 days 1,461 1825-03-04 – 1829-03-04 inauguration – inauguration
7 Andrew Jackson 7 John C. Calhoun POTUS 15 years, 3 days 5482 3 years, 299 days 1,395 1829-03-04 – 1832-12-28 inauguration – VP resignation
7 Andrew Jackson 8 Martin Van Buren POTUS 15 years, 265 days 5744 4 years, 0 days 1,461 1833-03-04 – 1837-03-04 inauguration – inauguration
8 Martin Van Buren 9 Richard M. Johnson VEEP 2 years, 49 days -779 4 years, 0 days 1,461 1837-03-04 – 1841-03-04 inauguration – inauguration
9 William Henry Harrison 10 John Tyler POTUS 17 years, 48 days 6257 31 days 31 1841-03-04 – 1841-04-04 inauguration – death (POTUS)
11 James K. Polk 11 George M. Dallas VEEP 3 years, 115 days -1210 4 years, 0 days 1,461 1845-03-04 – 1849-03-04 inauguration – inauguration
12 Zachary Taylor 12 Millard Fillmore POTUS 15 years, 44 days 5522 1 year, 127 days 492 1849-03-04 – 1850-07-09 inauguration – death (POTUS)
14 Franklin Pierce 13 William R. King VEEP 18 years, 230 days -6804 45 days 45 1853-03-04 – 1853-04-18 inauguration – death (VP)
15 James Buchanan 14 John C. Breckinridge POTUS 29 years, 268 days 10860 4 years, 0 days 1,461 1857-03-04 – 1861-03-04 inauguration – inauguration
16 Abraham Lincoln 15 Hannibal Hamlin POTUS 196 days 196 4 years, 0 days 1,461 1861-03-04 – 1865-03-04 inauguration – inauguration
16 Abraham Lincoln 16 Andrew Johnson VEEP 45 days -45 42 days 42 1865-03-04 – 1865-04-15 inauguration – assassination
18 Ulysses S. Grant 17 Schuyler Colfax POTUS 330 days 330 4 years, 0 days 1,461 1869-03-04 – 1873-03-04 inauguration – inauguration
18 Ulysses S. Grant 18 Henry Wilson VEEP 10 years, 70 days -3723 2 years, 263 days 993 1873-03-04 – 1875-11-22 inauguration – death (VP)
19 Rutherford B. Hayes 19 William A. Wheeler VEEP 3 years, 96 days -1192 4 years, 0 days 1,461 1877-03-04 – 1881-03-04 inauguration – inauguration
20 James A. Garfield 20 Chester A. Arthur VEEP 2 years, 45 days -775 199 days 199 1881-03-04 – 1881-09-19 inauguration – assassination
22 Grover Cleveland 21 Thomas A. Hendricks VEEP 17 years, 192 days -6402 266 days 266 1885-03-04 – 1885-11-25 inauguration – death (VP)
23 Benjamin Harrison 22 Levi P. Morton VEEP 9 years, 96 days -3383 4 years, 0 days 1,461 1889-03-04 – 1893-03-04 inauguration – inauguration
24 Grover Cleveland 23 Adlai Stevenson I VEEP 1 year, 146 days -512 4 years, 0 days 1,461 1893-03-04 – 1897-03-04 inauguration – inauguration
25 William McKinley 24 Garret Hobart POTUS 1 year, 126 days 491 2 years, 262 days 992 1897-03-04 – 1899-11-21 inauguration – death (VP)
25 William McKinley 25 Theodore Roosevelt POTUS 15 years, 271 days 5750 194 days 194 1901-03-04 – 1901-09-14 inauguration – assassination
26 Theodore Roosevelt 26 Charles W. Fairbanks VEEP 6 years, 169 days -2360 4 years, 0 days 1,461 1905-03-04 – 1909-03-04 inauguration – inauguration
27 William Howard Taft 27 James S. Sherman VEEP 1 year, 326 days -692 3 years, 240 days 1,336 1909-03-04 – 1912-10-30 inauguration – death (VP)
28 Woodrow Wilson 28 Thomas R. Marshall VEEP 2 years, 289 days -1020 8 years, 0 days 2,922 1913-03-04 – 1921-03-04 inauguration – inauguration
29 Warren G. Harding 29 Calvin Coolidge POTUS 6 years, 245 days 2436 2 years, 151 days 881 1921-03-04 – 1923-08-02 inauguration – death (POTUS)
30 Calvin Coolidge 30 Charles G. Dawes VEEP 6 years, 312 days -2503 4 years, 0 days 1,461 1925-03-04 – 1929-03-04 inauguration – inauguration
31 Herbert Hoover 31 Charles Curtis VEEP 14 years, 197 days -5311 4 years, 0 days 1,461 1929-03-04 – 1933-03-04 inauguration – inauguration
32 Franklin D. Roosevelt 32 John N. Garner VEEP 13 years, 69 days -4817 7 years, 322 days 2,879 1933-03-04 – 1941-01-20 inauguration – inauguration
32 Franklin D. Roosevelt 33 Henry A. Wallace POTUS 6 years, 251 days 2442 4 years, 0 days 1,461 1941-01-20 – 1945-01-20 inauguration – inauguration
32 Franklin D. Roosevelt 34 Harry S. Truman POTUS 2 years, 99 days 829 82 days 82 1945-01-20 – 1945-04-12 inauguration – death (POTUS)
33 Harry S. Truman 35 Alben W. Barkley VEEP 6 years, 166 days -2357 4 years, 0 days 1,461 1949-01-20 – 1953-01-20 inauguration – inauguration
34 Dwight D. Eisenhower 36 Richard Nixon POTUS 22 years, 87 days 8122 8 years, 0 days 2,922 1953-01-20 – 1961-01-20 inauguration – inauguration
35 John F. Kennedy 37 Lyndon B. Johnson VEEP 8 years, 275 days -3197 2 years, 306 days 1,036 1961-01-20 – 1963-11-22 inauguration – assassination
36 Lyndon B. Johnson 38 Hubert Humphrey POTUS 2 years, 273 days 1003 4 years, 0 days 1,461 1965-01-20 – 1969-01-20 inauguration – inauguration
37 Richard Nixon 39 Spiro Agnew POTUS 5 years, 304 days 2130 4 years, 320 days 1,781 1969-01-20 – 1973-12-06 inauguration – VP resignation
37 Richard Nixon 40 Gerald Ford POTUS 186 days 186 1 year, 13 days 378 1973-12-06 – 1974-12-19 VP confirmation – POTUS resignation
38 Gerald Ford 41 Nelson Rockefeller VEEP 5 years, 6 days -1832 2 years, 32 days 763 1974-12-19 – 1977-01-20 VP confirmation – inauguration
39 Jimmy Carter 42 Walter Mondale POTUS 3 years, 96 days 1191 4 years, 0 days 1,461 1977-01-20 – 1981-01-20 inauguration – inauguration
40 Ronald Reagan 43 George H. W. Bush POTUS 13 years, 127 days 4875 8 years, 0 days 2,922 1981-01-20 – 1989-01-20 inauguration – inauguration
41 George H. W. Bush 44 Dan Quayle POTUS 22 years, 237 days 8272 4 years, 0 days 1,461 1989-01-20 – 1993-01-20 inauguration – inauguration
42 Bill Clinton 45 Al Gore POTUS 1 year, 225 days 590 8 years, 0 days 2,922 1993-01-20 – 2001-01-20 inauguration – inauguration
43 George W. Bush 46 Dick Cheney VEEP 5 years, 157 days -1983 8 years, 0 days 2,922 2001-01-20 – 2009-01-20 inauguration – inauguration
44 Barack Obama 47 Joe Biden VEEP 18 years, 257 days -6832 8 years, 0 days 2,922 2009-01-20 – 2017-01-20 inauguration – inauguration
45 Donald Trump 48 Mike Pence POTUS 12 years, 358 days 4741 7 years, 191 days 2,747 2017-01-20 –  (present) inauguration –  (present)

Comments

I made this primarily for my own benefit, to validate my gut reaction that the President is usually older than the VP - Obama/Biden notwithstanding. But the data actually shows the 50 "partnerships" are split almost exactly evenly: 26 presidents are older than their VP and 24 are younger. Omitted from the above chart are instances when the vice-presidency was vacant. YBG (talk) 05:28, 27 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

On average, the president is slightly older than the VP, and the difference is decreasing slightly over time. Haven't checked the weighted average yet. YBG (talk) 01:59, 3 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]
The 26 older presidents are older by an average of 3,748.5 days (97461/26); the 24 younger are younger by average of 2740.4 days (65770/24); in the average partnership, the president is older by 633.8 days (31691/50). The weighted averages are 3854.4 days (144177171 days2/37406 days), 2786.0 days (91120253 days2/32707 days), and 756.7 days (53056918 days2/70113 days) respectively. YBG (talk) 14:14, 22 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]
The non-weighted averages will stay the same throughout the duration of the Trump/Pence partnership, but to bring the weighted averages up to date, add 4741×2,199 to the 1st and 3rd numerator and add 2,199 to the 1st and 3rd denominator. YBG (talk) 19:21, 23 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Here's the data presented tabularly:

Average number of days the U.S. president is older than his vice-president
(As of July 29, 2024, 2,746 days into the Trump/Pence partnership. Shaded cells automatically updated every day.)
Count Average difference Weighted average difference
Presidents older than VP 26 -3748.5 -97451 / 26 -Expression error: Unrecognized punctuation character ",". -Expression error: Unrecognized punctuation character ",". / Expression error: Unrecognized punctuation character ",". (-141579103 + 2,746×4741 ) / ( 36858 + 2,746 )
VPs older than president 24 -2740.42 -65770 / 24 -2785.96 0-91120253 / 32707 (0-91120253 + 000×4741 ) / ( 32707 + 000 )
All partnerships 50 -0633.82 -31691 / 50 -0Expression error: Unrecognized punctuation character ",". -0Expression error: Unrecognized punctuation character ",". / Expression error: Unrecognized punctuation character ",". (-050458850 + 2,746×4741 ) / ( 69565 + 2,746 )

YBG (talk) 06:28, 25 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Ex officio

The following is in response to the comment that I made on JTRH's talkpage. YBG (talk) 05:56, 15 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]

The Vice President is not "ex officio" the President of the Senate. The Vice President is the President of the Senate. No modifier is necessary. Best, JTRH (talk) 00:47, 15 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]

@JTRH: It sounds like you are using "ex officio" as though if someone holds a position "ex officio" it somehow means they are occupying the position unofficially or temporarily. The President of France is one of the two co-princes of Andorra. To say that he is a prince "ex officio" does not take away from him being a prince, it merely makes a statement about why he is prince. In the same way, the VP is President of the Senate ex officio because he holds that presidency for no other reason than that he is the He is the VP. That is what the wiktionary article means. YBG (talk) 00:56, 15 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Ex officio means you do Y as a function of doing X. It's not a necessary modifier or qualification for the Vice President. "The Vice President of the United States shall be President of the Senate" is not "ex officio," that's his primary Constitutional responsibility. The term is unnecessary in this case. It's no more necessary than saying the President is "ex officio" Commander-in-Chief of the Armed Forces. JTRH (talk) 01:07, 15 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]
@JTRH: I agree that it is unnecessary verbiage. YBG (talk) 03:17, 15 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Living Prime Ministers of Australia

Why did my account get randomly blocked with no warning? I had to make this account to see what happened. I have no affiliation with that sock puppet account. All of my work has been deleted. I spent hours on that. :( LR.2004 (talk) 10:42, 16 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]

1st of all, take a deep breath. All is not lost, your work can be resurrected. In a few days or weeks, when I have more time, I will make the appropriate requests to get your work on this template restored.
2nd, this might be a good time to take a wikibreak and concentrate on your off-wiki life.  I have begun a habit of doing this once a year for a month or so, and it has helped significantly in improving my life, both on-wiki and off-wiki.
3rd, please assume good faith on the part of the person who blocked you and deleted your work. Fighting against unconstructive editing on WP is a tireless and often thankless job. We should be grateful for those who do this work, even with the occasional overzealous actions.
Since I do not have access to any special administrative or investigative powers, I can only guess why your account was blocked and your work deleted. But I can assure you that it was not random and not capricious.
I suspect that you are editing from a shared IP address which has been used for unconstructive editing. Sometimes under these circumstances, not only do specific registered users get blocked, but also an IP address or address range can be blocked. It appears that multiple accounts have been used to make similar edits from the same IP address or address range, and a sock puppet investigator concluded that these multiple accounts are being used by the same individual in violation of wikipedia policies, which are quite strict about about enforcing the very limited circumstances under which it is permissible for a user to use multiple accounts.
It looks like previously blocked accounts have been used to edit articles about Australian politicians and railroads. Some of your edits seem to match this profile. This could be for a number of reasons - maybe you are the same individual, maybe you belong to a school or club where lots of people have similar interests, maybe you left your account logged in on a public computer. It may even be that you have made unconstructive edits in the past, but have now decided that you prefer making constructive edits.
Whatever the case may be, I really appreciated your effort to create a living Aussie PM template, and enjoyed collaborating with you.
I hope this setback does not discourage you. I encourage you to continue gathering the information needed for this template. When it is complete, you could send it to me using the "Email this user" feature, described at Help:Wikipedia: The Missing Manual/Collaborating with other editors/Communicating with your fellow editors § Email. Then when I get around to restoring the work you have already done, I can complete your work if you are not able to.
I welcome further interaction, either on-wiki or off-wiki. Thank you again for all your hard work. YBG (talk) 21:37, 16 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Yeah. I don't Wiki that much, but when I saw your awesome template I really wanted to make my own version for Australia. I haven't vandalised anything and I was just really bummed that all my hard work has been lost. I make constructive edits as evidenced by everything I have done, and I really hope there is a way to recover that page, so I can finish the job off! Thanks for your kindness, not many people on Wiki seem to have any social skills, other than banning it seems. Hahaha.

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