Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Menkes Developments

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep and move back to Murray Menkes. (non-admin closure) GeoffreyT2000 (talk) 21:28, 30 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Menkes Developments[edit]

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This page was about a property developer who appeared to me to just scrape by on notability. It's now been turned into a page that is supposedly about the company, though in fact much of it is about Menkes and his grandson. It doesn't meet our much stricter notability requirements for companies. I see plenty of conflict-of-interest editing, but no COI or paid editor disclosure, so it may also be a WP:TOU violation. Justlettersandnumbers (talk) 19:32, 8 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Keep but return to being a page about the person not the company. Page has an interesting history. It started as a Draft titled for company but I found that the founder was covered in lengthy obits by several leading Canadian newspapers, the Canadian equivalent akin to getting a New York Times Obit for a Canadian. I see efforts have been made to inject company info back in. I propose it be moved back to the founder's name and the company name become a redirect to the founder's name. A little pruning is in order to remove promotion. I see no reason to destroy a valid topic and page when normal editing can fix it. Legacypac (talk) 19:43, 8 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Canada-related deletion discussions. CAPTAIN RAJU^(T) 23:47, 8 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Businesspeople-related deletion discussions. CAPTAIN RAJU^(T) 23:47, 8 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

~~Keep~~ as per Legacypac Simonm223 (talk) 15:18, 10 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Comment Simonm223, Legacypac, could you please clarify whether you are advocating keeping the page on Menkes Developments or not – a "keep" !vote makes it look as if you are. If what you are suggesting is "move back to original title, restore original content and create a redirect from Menkes Developments", that isn't really a "keep" as usually understood. (is it?) Justlettersandnumbers (talk) 22:13, 10 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

And the move, restore and redirect scenario would have my support as a better option than deletion. But while we're here, let's establish proper consensus on the notability of the company. Justlettersandnumbers (talk) 22:17, 10 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Keep as in don't delete, fix by editing as outlined. The WP:NCORP standards are so impossibly high I would not try to do a page on the company. Legacypac (talk) 01:16, 11 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Merge and redirect to an article on the founder Still Legacypac's justification but clarifying my position. Simonm223 (talk) 11:59, 11 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, North America¹⁰⁰⁰ 04:55, 16 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Sam Sailor 07:27, 23 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.