Talk:Jean Moulin

Controvery section

Poorly did, does not sound encyclopaedic whatsoever. Historically its inaccurate, the idea that British and American intelligence proxy-assissinated Moulin is absurd. Furthermore Charles de Gaulle was not pro-American, he is one of the defining figures of European anti-Americanism! This needs to be sorted. --JDnCoke 11:14, 17 May 2007 (UTC)

Hero?

Edcolins, you changed "hero of the..." to "member of the..." why? did you feel it wasn't NPOV? If that's the case, i will have to disagree with you; Jean Moulin was, in many ways, more than "just" a member of the resistance.. Anyway thanks everyone for your edits, even though it is kind of embarrassing to see all the orthographic mistakes I made ^^;;; FiP 00:55, 7 Aug 2004 (UTC)

Yes, even though I truly respect Jean Moulin and what he did, I thought the term hero was far too biased. But that was just my humble opinion. Stating what he did might be far better and sufficient to understand and judge his acts. A parallel could be: if someone was really a nasty man, do not state "he was a nasty man", but just state his deeds. It seems to me more encyclopedic. --Edcolins 16:59, Aug 30, 2004 (UTC)

He certainly was a hero, in the sense taht he is accepted as one of the most notable and proeminent members of the Resistance. Indeed, he is the personification (perhaps along with d'Estienne d'Orves) of the interior resistance. Rama 08:37, 19 October 2005 (UTC)

Rescue?

I took as history the account in a docu-style film probably from the 1990s depicting him as being rescued, between his prison & an interrogation, via an attack on the vehicle & soldiers moving him there. (And of course later dying after recapture.) Bunk? (Hmm, the rescue united him with his lover, who went on the raid.... Hmmm, maybe i'm gullible.) --Jerzy(t) 17:37, 2004 Sep 10 (UTC)

Rescue???

Jerzy: Wow. I've actually never heard that story before! Interesting thought, though.

Prefet ?

I'm not that familiar with wikipedia's guidelines on the subject, so i'll just ask: In the section "Resistance", Jean Moulin is discribed as the préfet of Eure-et-loir, but a few lines bellow, we find a link for prefects. Which is more correct : préfet and préfets or Prefect and Prefects ?
FiP 08:36, 19 February 2006 (UTC)

Prefet is french for prefect which is a rank in government in some nations.{subst:unsigned|86.197.117.164}}

That did not answer my question. FiP ^{Как вы думаете?} 01:46, 1 February 2007 (UTC)

Crypto Communist

A few days after I had rewritten this article, someone had added the "crypto communist" part. I guess i didn't want to feel stupid by asking "what the heck is a crypto-communist ? öO" :D
Anyway Ruy Lopez just removed it, i guess that's that.
FiP 17:09, 15 March 2006 (UTC)

Horrific death

"because of his great courage and his horrific death." His death is not described in any terms in this article that would support it being "horrific." —Preceding unsigned comment added by 151.207.242.4 (talk • contribs)

Well he was tortured to death, the death certificate was made 6 months after his supposed date of death so it was probably very very horrible as they wanted to obtain all the informations he knew.

Le Rire

"Yandman" Removed the following from the external links sections:

 *[http://www.lerire.com LeRire.com] - Features OCR'd ''Le Rire'' issues

This link may or may not belong here, I'm not sure, but I propose adding "Le Rire" to the "See Also" section.
FiP ^{Как вы думаете?} 01:31, 29 January 2007 (UTC)

Communist?

The 1970's called. They'd like their baseless accusation back.

Red Scare seem to be immortal. — Preceding unsigned comment added by NanoPish (talk • contribs) 18:05, 30 March 2019 (UTC)

WikiProject class rating

This article was automatically assessed because at least one article was rated and this bot brought all the other ratings up to at least that level. BetacommandBot 03:53, 27 August 2007 (UTC)

ashes- corpse legend

The fact that he (his ashes) was buried in Père Lachaise and then transferred to the Pantheon actually is more legend than fact. As well said by the French version of this article, his corpse was never found/identified, so it's just symbolic. His grave is empty, a cenotaph (see french version of the article) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.74.139.98 (talk) 09:42, 17 July 2009 (UTC)

Instead of posting this.....

at the beginning of each section as it should be I am bringing it here. All of these sections make a number of claims as factual and seeing as how we are dealing with people (alive and dead) exact dates and crimes and accusations of crimes this needs to cleared up. tyvm Pudge MclameO (talk) 03:08, 5 March 2011 (UTC)

"was a high-profile member of the French Resistance "

I sincerely doubt he would have lived as long as he did, if that were true. Perhaps a rephrase is in order? Guinness2702 (talk) 11:35, 11 April 2012 (UTC)

Resistance section reads like a school child's adventure story

Far too floral and emotional. Main source is Alan Clinton 1999 Jean Moulin, 1899-1943: The French Resistance and the Republic which does not rely on French sources — Preceding unsigned comment added by 77.202.211.125 (talk) 05:01, 13 February 2018 (UTC)

Dubious

Was Moulin dismissed/removed from office of a préfet on November 2, 1940 or 16 November 1940?

--Gui le Roi (talk) 13:06, 24 July 2018 (UTC)

Hey he was dismissed the 2

http://www.cheminsdememoire.gouv.fr/en/jean-moulin

On 2 November 1940 the Vichy government dismissed the left-leaning, faithful servant of the Republic, who moved to Saint-Andiol in the Alpilles and contacted various Resistance movements in the southern zone. In October 1941 he went to London and became the Resistance's messenger to General de Gaulle.

NanoPish (talk) 18:07, 30 March 2019 (UTC)

The 2013 protest was against the government, not related to Jean Moulin's alledged homosexuality

I removed a dubious statement about protests in 2013 being related to Jean Moulin's hypothetical homosexuality :
“In 2013, a remembrance ceremony in France attended by the prime minister was disturbed by anti-gay protestors [...]”
There's no mention of this in the linked article (which actually links to this more complete article). This protest was against the François Hollande government, and specifically against the then recently voted law on “same-sex marriage”, it had no relation whatsoever with the alledged homosexuality of Jean Moulin (which I had never seen mentioned until I read this article on english Wikipedia, go figure).
Besides, the whole “Homosexuality” section is awkward by its relative length, its gossip treatment, and even more so by its placement, as if it was the missing link between “The Resistance” and “Who betrayed Jean Moulin”...--Abolibibelot (talk) 03:30, 14 January 2019 (UTC)

Homosexuality

Hello, I suggest deleting the Homosexuality section, as it does not seem relevant and there is no consensus so what is this section about. — Preceding unsigned comment added by NanoPish (talk • contribs) 17:00, 30 March 2019 (UTC)

Wrong information about his arrestation

The Germans arrested him on 17 June 1940 after his extreme left-wing views led them to suspect him of being a communist.

No. He is arrested by the Germans the june 17th 1940, as he refuses to sign a false declaration about three senalese tirailleurs having committed atrocities in La Taye ; in fact there were killed by German bombings. Beaten and imprisoned because he refused to comply, he tries to suicide by cutting his throat with a glass shard. He barely makes it alive, keep a huge scar on his throat, that he hides with scarf, after being cared for in Chartres. — Preceding unsigned comment added by NanoPish (talk • contribs) 17:24, 30 March 2019 (UTC)