Talk:Brexit negotiations

Ireland with no deal Brexit

What happens with Ireland in a no deal scenario?

Nothing will happen to or within the Irish Republic. But naturally the Irish authorities has to protect the outer borders of the EU, including the border to the UK. (in the "no deal brexit" scenario) Boeing720 (talk) 03:47, 19 February 2019 (UTC)

Norway plus?

At the moment, the article says "In December 2018, Secretary for Work and Pensions Amber Rudd suggested that a Norway-plus model – the membership of the European Economic Area (EEA) – could be an alternative if Theresa May's Brexit deal is rejected. ". Would it offend WP:NOR to point out negotiating EEA membership is in the free trade agreement stage that comes after the withdrawal agreement has been concluded. So it is not an "instead of". --John Maynard Friedman (talk) 18:01, 6 February 2019 (UTC)

We report the facts without editorial comment. The fact is she said it, right or wrong. Has any RS pointed out the error? Some might say the supposed Norway option is currently so remote from the possibility of happening as not worth further discussion in the real world. Qexigator (talk) 22:27, 6 February 2019 (UTC)

This is true. But in a way we are reporting it as relevant to Brexit negotiations when actually it is about free trade negotiations. But I suppose if the FT reports it as relevant, who are we to argue. --John Maynard Friedman (talk) 14:09, 7 February 2019 (UTC)

But there is a "hard border" between Sweden and Norway. At least at the larger border crossings, not a Berlin-wall but old-fashion customs and passport control (for "Scandinavian looking" people passport isn't required)Boeing720 (talk) 03:58, 19 February 2019 (UTC)

References

The Northern Ireland border

This is a very long article. But I can't find much on the Ireland border issue and possible solutions. I think the article could mention that the Spanish Canary Islands, the Finnish Åland islands and the Danish (Kingdom of Denmark at least) Faroe Islands all are examples of nations that only partly is in the EU. Why couldn't the opposite be a solution ? Great Britain "brexits" but the UK still has Northern Ireland inside the EU. If Northern Ireland that way remained in EU, a "soft border" could still exist on the Irish island, and everybody be happy ? (And inline with the referendum too). And between Northern Ireland and Great Britain there would be a border that equals for instance Spanish airports with flights from Canary Islands. It seems to me, Mrs May and her Tories can't think !? Boeing720 (talk) 03:41, 19 February 2019 (UTC)

Because that would create internal trade barriers within the UK, with different regulatory regimes. This is what the backstop would to, and they are rioting over it. In all those examples you list, the "main country" is within EU, while some far-away islands or autonomous region isn't, and not the other way around. These examples cannot be directly compared to the UK situation. However, if you can find reliable sources that make such comparisons, it might be included in the article, but not before. ― Heb the best (talk) 05:32, 19 February 2019 (UTC)

There is a whole article about it. See Brexit and the Irish border. --John Maynard Friedman (talk) 12:15, 19 February 2019 (UTC)

Thanks John Maynard. Will have a look there. To Heb - yes, some problems. But the border would remain open, no return to "past darkness". It's not a big thing in Spain. That the largest part is outside and a smaller part within, should not be more difficult than the other way around. Perhaps the UK even could benefit from having a small part still in the EU ? Boeing720 (talk) 17:28, 19 February 2019 (UTC)

Article split?

This article is pretty big now, and I was thinking of some kind of split, per WP:SIZE. The obvious starting point (to me, at least), would be to split the Negotiation for withdrawal agreement section by year. What do others think?

Of course, if there's no consensus, I can come back in a week or so, with a tweeked plan, which we can all vote on again... Lugnuts ^{Fire Walk with Me} 17:53, 17 March 2019 (UTC)

If the proposal is to remove the whole of the year by year section to date into a new article, that makes good sense. Qexigator (talk) 23:58, 17 March 2019 (UTC)

Yes, that's my thinking, to have sub-articles such as Brexit negotiations in 2017, etc, with maybe a short summary retained in this article. Lugnuts ^{Fire Walk with Me} 09:45, 18 March 2019 (UTC)

Prose size (text only): 96 kB (16212 words) "readable prose size" snd References (text only): 2899 B are the current "Page size" figures. I agree that some split is needed.--Dthomsen8 (talk) 00:32, 19 March 2019 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Article size Size guidlines says "Readable prose size What to do > 100 kB almost certainly should be divided. 96kB is right up there! What do other editors say we should do?--Dthomsen8 (talk) 00:44, 19 March 2019 (UTC)

I'll leave this for more comments, and if there's no major issues on doing this, I'll start the split at the weekend. Lugnuts ^{Fire Walk with Me} 17:52, 19 March 2019 (UTC)

OK, then go for it. Qexigator (talk) 18:22, 19 March 2019 (UTC)

Done. Lugnuts ^{Fire Walk with Me} 15:00, 22 March 2019 (UTC)