User talk:Gotchynow
August 2019
Please stop your disruptive editing.
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If you continue to disrupt Wikipedia, as you did at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hack_Forums, you may be blocked from editing. You mentioned: "Legal action is being taken." So I take you must be the owner or affiliated with the website. You are discouraged from writing/editing articles about your organizations (including campaigns, clients, products and services) in which you hold a vested interest. However, if you feel that there is material within an existing article which is incorrect, or not neutral in its tone, you should point this out on the article’s talk page instead of reverting edits. AvalerionV (talk) 19:38, 3 August 2019 (UTC)
Your recent edits to Hack Forums could give Wikipedia contributors the impression that you may consider legal or other "off-wiki" action against them, or against Wikipedia itself. Please note that making such threats on Wikipedia is strictly prohibited under Wikipedia's policies on legal threats and civility. Users who make such threats may be blocked. If you have a dispute with the content of any page on Wikipedia, please follow the proper channels for dispute resolution. Please be sure to comment on content, not contributors, and where possible make specific suggestions for changes supported by reliable independent sources and focusing especially on verifiable errors of fact. Thank you. OhKayeSierra (talk) 19:43, 3 August 2019 (UTC)
August 2019
{{unblock|reason=Your reason here ~~~~}}. Orange Mike | Talk 13:36, 4 August 2019 (UTC)
Gotchynow (block log • active blocks • global blocks • contribs • deleted contribs • filter log • creation log • change block settings • unblock • checkuser (log))
Request reason:
I was warned about legal threats but not given the chance to comply before being blocked. Once I read the warning and read the policy I was and still am happy to oblige by the policy. I'm not a rule breaker. Unfortunately I have a problem on the Wikipedia page of my website HackForums.net which continues to be edited by a malicious person. Sadly using Wikipedia is confusing to me and figuring out the system has been time consuming and perplexing. This is far from an intuitive system and that's partly to blame for my "legal threats" which btw were not aimed at Wikipedia but instead at the malicious editor who still today edits the page. I kindly request unblock so I can try to talk to the correct people to resolve the matter. Thank you.
Decline reason:
The problem here is that you have specifically stated that you are taking legal action against another editor. In order not to prejudice any ongoing legal proceedings, this requires that you remain blocked, as allowing you to edit Wikipedia would cause you to have a conflict of interest. If you can categorically state that legal proceedings are not being undertaken in relation to this matter and state that you withdraw the threat, I would be happy to unblock you, but we cannot do so while a legal case remains unresolved. Yunshui 雲水 07:43, 10 August 2019 (UTC)
If you want to make any further unblock requests, please read the guide to appealing blocks first, then use the {{unblock}} template again. If you make too many unconvincing or disruptive unblock requests, you may be prevented from editing this page until your block has expired. Do not remove this unblock review while you are blocked.
Gotchynow (block log • active blocks • global blocks • contribs • deleted contribs • filter log • creation log • change block settings • unblock • checkuser (log))
Request reason:
The article from the website has been removed. No further legal proceedings are being taken. And note that I don't want to edit my sites Wikipedia page. I want to use TALK to convince other editors of bias and malicious actions currently taken on the page by this one person. I feel like I'm in an unfortunate circumstance but willing to listen and learn from the Wikipedia community on how best to deal with it.
Decline reason:
Procedural decline only. This is not sufficiently clear. You note no further legal proceedings are being taken. What about your existing legal proceedings? You need to be very clear. Please state for the record that all legal actions have been cancelled with prejudice. Additionally, please indicate that you will no longer violate WP:NLT, including but not limited to accusing people of libel. Note that you absolutely are permitted to take legal action. That is your right. However, doing so means that you will not be permitted to edit Wikipedia until your legal action is fully complete. Yamla (talk) 19:37, 10 August 2019 (UTC)
If you want to make any further unblock requests, please read the guide to appealing blocks first, then use the {{unblock}} template again. If you make too many unconvincing or disruptive unblock requests, you may be prevented from editing this page until your block has expired. Do not remove this unblock review while you are blocked.
Gotchynow (block log • active blocks • global blocks • contribs • deleted contribs • filter log • creation log • change block settings • unblock • checkuser (log))
Request reason:
Existing legal proceedings have ceased and are no longer being pursued as a means of resolution in this incident. I state for the record that all legal actions are cancelled with prejudice. I will no longer violate WP:NLT and have read the page and understand it.
Accept reason:
Unblocked. Please also review our guidelines and best practices for editors with a conflict of interest. NinjaRobotPirate (talk) 21:06, 10 August 2019 (UTC)
Conflict of interest
Hello, Gotchynow. We welcome your contributions, but if you have an external relationship with the people, places or things you have written about in the page Hack Forums, you may have a conflict of interest (COI). Editors with a COI may be unduly influenced by their connection to the topic. See the COI guideline and FAQ for organizations for more information. We ask that you:
- avoid editing or creating articles about yourself, your family, friends, company, organization or competitors;
- propose changes on the talk pages of affected articles (you can use the {{request edit}} template);
- disclose your COI when discussing affected articles (see WP:DISCLOSE);
- avoid linking to your organization's website in other articles (see WP:Spam);
- do your best to comply with Wikipedia's content policies.
In addition, you must disclose your employer, client, and affiliation with respect to any contribution which forms all or part of work for which you receive, or expect to receive, compensation (see WP:PAID).
Also, editing for the purpose of advertising, publicising, or promoting anyone or anything is not permitted. Thank you. --Yamla (talk) 11:17, 11 August 2019 (UTC)
As you have refused to follow the above instructions to disclose your conflict of interest, as you are clearly a single-purpose account, and as you have continued your legal threats with edits such as this, once again throwing around claims of "defamatory and libelous", I have no choice but to block you indefinitely. Any admin is free to unblock you if you are able to convince them you'll abide by WP:COI, WP:NLT, and WP:SPA, but realistically, I doubt anyone will unblock you unless you agree to a WP:TOPICBAN around AvalerionV and around Hack Forums, at the very least. --Yamla (talk) 16:02, 11 August 2019 (UTC)
Wait what? The words libelous and defamatory are English terms in the dictionary which describe the quote perfectly. I made no legal threat. I have not "refused to follow" any policy. It's the opposite. I've spent many hours trying to learn and adhere to them. The edit you quote has no legal threat at all. Unsure about the COI disclosure policy and if I'm forced to make some syntax statement even on just a request. But I can see on the Talk page of my site the edit request already says I have a COI and it looks like I made the proper policy request to the page. Please lift the unfair block. I think you've misunderstood my intentions. Gotchynow (talk) 17:37, 11 August 2019 (UTC)
- AvalerionV came to your defense over on my talk page. Let me copy what I said there in response. "I disagree. This edit says "defamatory and libelous". WP:NLT explicitly calls this out in the "Perceived legal threats" section. Combined with the refusal to properly declare the user's conflict of interest and the user's single purpose here, I strongly believe it's enough for the block. The user is free to request unblocking if they wish." I'll add that your block is a combination of things, of which your continued use of "libelous" and "defamatory" is only part of the issue. I've noted already I'm okay with an admin unblocking you under the terms I outlined above. And as always, other admins are free to reverse my block without my consent or approval, even if you are unwilling to abide by these terms, if you are able to convince them the block is inappropriate. --Yamla (talk) 18:44, 11 August 2019 (UTC)
- "What is not a legal threat" section [[1]] of the page says "A discussion as to whether material is libelous is not a legal threat." Please lift your inappropriate block. Gotchynow (talk) 19:22, 11 August 2019 (UTC)
- Btw, I want to address the fact I've been called a Single Purpose account. I take offense to that. I have used Wikipedia for years and have donated to the Foundation. Simply because I have joined with initial intent to fix a problem should not prevent me from future contributions. You say Single Purpose but really this is just my First Purpose and you should not assume (bad faith) that I won't make edits going forward. I've spent a great deal of time this week learning about the backend of Wikipedia. I don't intend to do that all for a single purpose. It makes more sense to use my knowledge to further improve the Wiki. Please assume Good Faith on my part. Please.
- Don't bite me please. [[2]] I am also communicating now with admins via email ticket. I do have a COI, I admit that. I'm sorry if somewhere I put the syntax wrong or made a bad decision to make an edit. You seem very reputable and it stands to reason that since you blocked me that my best course of action is that I convince you of my good intentions towards Wikipedia and have you remove it. I have communicated with you about the 3 WP policies you think I violated (NLT, COI, and SPA). If there is a very specific policy in one of those documents that I'm currently unaware of which I am violating please cite. I am absolutely trying me best here.
HackForums.net Owner Disclosure
I am Jesse LaBrocca the owner of Hackforums.net.