Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Sky Media Group

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The result was keep. KaisaL (talk) 05:38, 12 March 2020 (UTC)

Sky Media Group

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No, not the British one. No claim of significance/notability (fails GNG/WP:NCOMPANY), no good redirect target unless we want to do so for Sky Plus (but that article also has notability issues) and there is also SKY Radio, so toss a coin which one is better? Estononian wiki article is about as bad. BEFORE does not show anything but few mentions in passing/press releases. _{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 07:08, 4 March 2020 (UTC)

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Estonia-related deletion discussions. _{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 07:08, 4 March 2020 (UTC)

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of News media-related deletion discussions. CAPTAIN RAJU^(T) 08:01, 4 March 2020 (UTC)

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Radio-related deletion discussions. CAPTAIN RAJU^(T) 08:01, 4 March 2020 (UTC)

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Companies-related deletion discussions. CAPTAIN RAJU^(T) 08:01, 4 March 2020 (UTC)

• Keep One of the biggest radio broadcasters in Estonia. The Banner talk 10:17, 5 March 2020 (UTC)
  • Even being the biggest Foo-type company in Fooland is no criteria of notability. And simply being one of the biggest is stretching that non-criteria even further.--_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 04:32, 6 March 2020 (UTC)
• Comment It is regarded as one of the biggest private radio groups in Estonia. Apparently one of the biggest two with nation-wide coverage. It is covered in a few (apparently) reliable sources as such ([1], [2], [3], [4]). It is hard for me to judge reliability of press coverage in Estonian language, but it is covered on Eesti Rahvusringhääling ([5]), Delovõje Vedomosti ([6]), Äripäev ([7]), Postimees ([8] and [9]). Maybe it would make sense to merge Sky Plus and SKY Radio to Sky Media Group? --MarioGom (talk) 09:47, 6 March 2020 (UTC)
  • The problem with the sources you present is that without analysis they are just WP:GOOGLEHITS, and my translation of a sample in my BEFORE, some of which you cite, suggests they are at a level of press releases or their rewrites. But I am happy to hear from anyone who stumbles upon an in-depth, independent coverage. Rescuing this is always preferable to deletion. So, anyone found good sources? --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 14:53, 6 March 2020 (UTC)
  • Not in-depth, but these may be useful too: Radio in Estonia: Meager but Enduring, radio history (in Estonian, has first air date for some stations), Venekeelsed massiteabevahendid nüüdisajal (encyclopedic article). --MarioGom (talk) 10:04, 7 March 2020 (UTC)

Notified: Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Estonia. Reason: The page is tagged with the WikiProject and members could help assessing sources. MarioGom (talk) 09:51, 6 March 2020 (UTC)

• Keep its notability is a nobrainer for any Estonian, everybody knows the company. Pelmeen10 (talk) 17:33, 6 March 2020 (UTC)
  • We do need sources though. Estonian ones will do. --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 09:43, 7 March 2020 (UTC)
    • I changed all the sources, you can put back any of the ones I removed if necessary. + I added years when the current stations were opened. Pelmeen10 (talk) 00:56, 8 March 2020 (UTC)
• Keep: The existing sources are enough to demonstrate notability for the purposes of WP:NEXIST. The SAGE International Encyclopedia says that Sky is "among the biggest radio broadcasters". The Baltic Times says that "many of the private stations are owned by Sky Media Group." It is without doubt that Estonian sources exist, which satisfies NEXIST. -- Toughpigs (talk) 00:22, 8 March 2020 (UTC)
• Update: Also, here's some sources in Estonian, as requested.
  • "What is the state of the art of radio entertainment today? What is its future?" from Eesti Ekspress -- an interview with Sky Media content manager Priit Varet
  • "Sky Media celebrated its 20th birthday in galactic size" from Elu24.Postimees
  • "Rumors have a base! Sky Plus' longtime program director is retiring" from Elu24.Postimees

-- Toughpigs (talk) 01:05, 8 March 2020 (UTC)

• Keep: Per Toughpigs and MarioGom. I suggest the links posted here should be added to the page. ASTIG😎 _{(ICE T • ICE CUBE)} 10:12, 9 March 2020 (UTC)

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