Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Tom Piggott

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The result was delete. I am disregarding the keep votes, as they are explicitly basing their arguments on social media supporting a notability claim, which is not a valid argument (in my opinion resorting to these arguments actually helps demonstrate the opposite). ♠PMC♠ (talk) 14:06, 18 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Tom Piggott

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Para sports person for whom there are no refs showing notability that meet WP:NSPORT . The author has has twice moved the article from Draft space to Main space without any review. No doubt an accomplished swimmer but certainly not yet notable. Velella ^{Velella Talk} 01:20, 11 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Sportspeople-related deletion discussions. Velella ^{Velella Talk} 01:20, 11 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Disability-related deletion discussions. Velella ^{Velella Talk} 01:20, 11 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Wales-related deletion discussions. Velella ^{Velella Talk} 01:20, 11 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Keep. Article is well sourced. Also technically on the Wikipedia:Notability (sports) there is no “swimming” section. Unless proven otherwise, this is a keep for me.Elijahandskip (talk) 12:57, 11 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Comment It is true the article has very many sources,(although many are trivial social media YouTube etc) but those that are acceptable sources fail to establish notability. He has not competed for his country at national or international level, a requirement for (probably) all sports. This article fails to meet even the basic criteria of WP:NSPORT. If he were to get selected for the Olympics then no doubt notability would be assured, but at present it is certainly too soon Velella ^{Velella Talk} 22:05, 11 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Keep. This artical is well sourced. Social media and YouTube links should be valid as they show evidence of competing on a international stage. Okay the athlete may be ranked under home club rather than Wales but it is the same for every athlete. The athlete has been to an Olympic trials and competed for wales at UK school games. Also looking at many other pages there are athletes with less information on and who have done less. You don't have to be selected for the Olympics for notability to matter yes that would show in good favour for it but if you do a basic search of Tom Piggott Swimmer on google you can find quite a bit of information on him so that should show something. If your looking for international comps then look at www.mywelshpool.co.uk/viewernews/ArticleId/16590 as it shows one international meet that he went to okay granted not with wales but still gone international. I also see it as wrong if on the notability section there is nothing for swimmers. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Random Pig1 (talk • contribs) 15:05, 12 March 2020 (UTC) — Random Pig1 (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic. [reply]

Delete. With the refbombing and trivia overload the article needs blowing up as it's an unsalvageable mess. We don't have to bother with that as he fails WP:GNG. Piggott has to compete at the Olympic Games or win a medal in the Paralympic Games to pass WP:NOLY.Dougal18 (talk) 19:23, 12 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Comment That would mean one rule for one and another rule for others. Surely that we are discussing this shows that he must be relevant with constant updates to the artical (that are not only me). Yes winning a medal would be ideal but the YouTube References have timestamps attached to them so people can find the footage. Social media is as great of a source as any as it comes directly from Tom Piggott himself. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Random Pig1 (talk • contribs) 21:03, 12 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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