Wikipedia talk:Manual of Style/Medicine-related articles

No active discussion

There is no active discussion so this is not appropriate.[1] Doc James (talk · contribs · email) 01:21, 13 April 2020 (UTC)

MEDLEAD

With an inconclusive close to Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Medicine-related articles/RFC on lead guideline for medicine-related articles, a pandemic upon us, and an arbcase that will deal with issues that include MOSLEAD, I question whether this is the best timing for another edit war over an issue that pales in comparison to the rest, or the best time to begin discussion of LEAD.[2] SandyGeorgia (Talk) 01:23, 13 April 2020 (UTC)

As I already stated above Sandy there is no active discussion of this. If you wish to tag you need to start a discussion.

This issue ties in to all the others agree. Doc James (talk · contribs · email) 01:26, 13 April 2020 (UTC)

Absolute nonsense. The only reason that the discussion isn't more active is because of the ArbCom case. --Hipal/Ronz (talk) 02:04, 13 April 2020 (UTC)

Since the matter is before Arbcom, and the pre-existing dispute has never been resolved, there is clearly still discussion and dispute, and the tag should be reinstated until such time as effective dispute resolution can be established. James, are you aware that further discussion of the LEAD issue was put off because of many comments throughout the drug pricing RFC, similar to this one, advocating that we NOT start more RFCs at this time? The discussion has been started, and is here; I could bring it back out of archives, but that hardly seems productive. I can do so if you wish. SandyGeorgia (Talk) 13:58, 13 April 2020 (UTC)

Brief feedback from an uninvolved editor

Clearly there has been a lot of debate about how to best phrase the lead section. I did not try to understand all the issues as my brain started to hurt after reading a few paragraphs. ;^) I simply want to offer a little feedback about two things. (1) SandyGeorgia's edit today (diff) is an improvement because the prose exhibit's greater clarity and consistency after SandyGeorgia's edit. The only term I'm not sure about is "hard data" - I don't know what that means exactly. This is a minor point, but every improvement in comprehension helps so I want to at least mention it. (2) The language chart is not necessary because the point is made clearly in the text; the chart lacks a caption, i.e., there is no explanation about what the numbers represent; and the survey actually measures user languages across all Wikipedias, not just the English Wikipedia. Therefore, the chart is not relevant to the article.   - Mark D Worthen PsyD (talk) (I'm a man—traditional male pronouns are fine.) 02:49, 14 April 2020 (UTC)

Agree the language chart does not belong. It isn't even medicine-related. It is not the job of a MOS page to persuade editors of anything, but to state the consensus on article content. -- Colin°^Talk 08:53, 14 April 2020 (UTC)

Thank you, Mark. Yes to removing the chart, for the reasons you give and more. Unsure how else to rephrase “hard data”. Generally, text in the lead is a summary of text in the body, and might not precisely reflect any individual citation, but numbers are precise and should. Open to rephrasing, or even dropping that part. The edit I made, by the way, is not text I prefer (I do not believe we need this section at all), rather a “meeting halfway” from the RFC. If conflict erupts again, my preference is that the section be entirely deleted, as WP:LEAD covers everything already. SandyGeorgia (Talk) 09:12, 14 April 2020 (UTC)