Talk:2020 Singaporean general election

Photographs on candidates

​​​​​​​ Because of this year's campaigning rules due to COVID-19, we will have limited opportunities to have photographs of this year's candidates, especially the newer faces uploaded onto wikipedia. The most efficient time to take photographs should be during the Nomination Day, when the candidates for the various constituencies turn up at nomination centres. If possible, can fellow editors make a trip to the various nomination centres and snap some photos of the candidates? – robertsky (talk) 10:45, 25 June 2020 (UTC)

Actually, I thought no one is allowed to gather there? TheGreatSG'rean (talk) 11:08, 25 June 2020 (UTC)

I am sorry, as I am still part of the SAF, I can't risk being anywhere near the nomination center and these people. Seloloving (talk) 14:38, 25 June 2020 (UTC)

@TheGreatSG'rean: As long you are an individual and not as a group, I think it should be fine. But if the police or anyone else ask you to leave, please follow the instructions and leave. Do not get into any trouble because of this.

@Seloloving: If you are a NSF, I believe there is no issue that you are still serving NS and will not cause any issues. Again, as per above, if asked to leave, please leave.

@Robertsky: Thank you for your hard work but nay, not going hahah! --Justanothersgwikieditor (talk) 01:27, 26 June 2020 (UTC)

@Robertsky, I am not. Haha. Seloloving (talk) 02:40, 26 June 2020 (UTC)

@Robertsky: Nope, not needed unless if necessary; Hope this will help. Sculture65 (talk) 04:58, 26 June 2020 (UTC)

@Robertsky: Sorry but unfortunately I can't go either :/ JaventheAldericky (talk) 16:10, 27 June 2020 (UTC)

oh well. looks like the nomination centres are out of bounds anyway. urgh. – robertsky (talk) 22:08, 28 June 2020 (UTC)

There is televised broadcast, but the problem is subject to copyright. You can try anyway but it's up to you; do what you want. Sculture65 (talk) 04:47, 29 June 2020 (UTC)

• I've emailed Parliament to request for freely licensed photographs, but I personally doubt that I'll get a response. I intend to email parties with elected candidates on Saturday as well. Darylgolden^(talk) Ping when replying 09:43, 9 July 2020 (UTC)

I have emailed the PAP and WP. Darylgolden^(talk) Ping when replying 01:30, 11 July 2020 (UTC)

Term end date on outgoing MPs pages

What should we put the term end date? The polling date, 10 July 2020, or when the parliament was dissolved on 23 June 2020? Technically, there are no members of parliament from 23 June 2020 onwards, until 10 July 2020. – robertsky (talk) 15:21, 26 June 2020 (UTC)

I don't think it's necessary, since they are all ending on the same day. Seloloving (talk) 16:55, 26 June 2020 (UTC)

23 June 2020; since there are outgoing MPs and the parliament is dissolved already. Sculture65 (talk) 04:29, 29 June 2020 (UTC)

23 June 2020 it is then. I am going by this as well: https://mothership.sg/2020/06/what-does-it-mean-to-dissolve-parliament-singapore/. So MP end date on 23 June 2020 (if we want to be pedantic, even the incumbent MPs pages should be updated, but let's hold until the election is over); ministerial appointments end date can be tentatively fixed to 2020, since they can only hold the post until the first seating of the next parliament. – robertsky (talk) 07:15, 30 June 2020 (UTC)

@TheGreatSG'rean: see this please for the end date of the term. it should be 23 June 2020, not 10 July 2020. – robertsky (talk) 03:39, 2 July 2020 (UTC)

How should we trim the list of events to 30 June?

The section is becoming very bloated, and we still have 3 days to go. I suggest we remove:

• All retirements, covered in a separate list below.
• NCMP Daniel Goh - not an elected MP anyway.
• LTK being warded in ICU - not part of the election, he had decided to retire prior to this.
• Combine all the RDU news to the final announcement and list the other dates the 4 were announced.

Any more ideas? Seloloving (talk) 07:05, 27 June 2020 (UTC)

Or we can simply split, like what was done for 2011 article: Pre–election day events of the 2011 Singaporean general election. – robertsky (talk) 07:59, 27 June 2020 (UTC)

We could effect the move once the election was over, then. Since the primary interest will be more on the results than the leadup by then? Seloloving (talk) 13:47, 27 June 2020 (UTC)

Yea, it will be good to split the section into a separate article like 2011 after the election concludes. Until then, however, I'd suggest leaving the section in the main article for the time being. JaventheAldericky (talk) 16:10, 27 June 2020 (UTC)

I think the format should be based on the 2015 election page. TheGreatSG'rean (talk) 11:40, 28 June 2020 (UTC)

This page will exceed the 2015 page in size by the time the polling day arrives. A split may be inevitable. – robertsky (talk) 22:10, 28 June 2020 (UTC)

If choose to split, then the contents leading up to the polling day should be in a separate section; I will also suggest doing the same for the 2015 election as well. Among which I will also suggest include Ivan Lim controversy to be notable and have its subsection (controversies); however, I fine with just a simple page, but watch the size (split only when the file size bytes exceed 250,000; the number can be find on the page information and view history; the size so far is 142,762 at the time of reply) Sculture65 (talk) 04:28, 29 June 2020 (UTC)

​ For now, leave the page as it is for the time being; after the polling day, we'll discuss again. Is that alright? Just remember to watch the page size (250,000). Sculture65 (talk) 04:49, 29 June 2020 (UTC)

I agree with all recommendations. Thank you. Seloloving (talk) 17:55, 29 June 2020 (UTC)

Pritam Singh photo

Did anyone get permission from the WP to use the photo of Pritam? Their website states © Copyright 2020, All Rights Reserved, which means we are not allowed to use the photo. Please note we can't upload images on Commons unless the materials are copyright free in Singapore and the United States. In addition, we can only upload it to Wikipedia itself under a fairuse policy, downsized to a low resolution and only if no alternative is available. There was already an alternative available before this photo.

Requesting to please help to check the status of the photo, thank you. Otherwise I will have to mark it for deletion. Seloloving (talk) 17:54, 29 June 2020 (UTC)

Update, photo was uploaded by JoeFondeau and inserted by the user, as it's unlikely we will be able to communicate with the person on whether he had permission to use it, I have marked the the photo for speedy deletion. Seloloving (talk) 18:34, 29 June 2020 (UTC)

@Seloloving: Regarding the aforementioned photo in question, they are also present in two other articles, Leader of the Opposition (Singapore) and Pritam Singh (Singaporean politician), as well as an article over at the French Wikipedia. I'll try and remove the photo from the three articles. JaventheAldericky (talk) 18:53, 29 June 2020 (UTC)

@Seloloving: Update: All fixed; pictures have been replaced with the previous free image. JaventheAldericky (talk) 19:02, 29 June 2020 (UTC)

Thank you. Seloloving (talk) 20:04, 29 June 2020 (UTC)

Outgoing MPs

Hi @Sculture65:, understand you wrote Yaacob did leave the cabinet in 2018 and the status Former Cabinet Minister reflects the status in the table for Outgoing MPs section but as the field name indicates Latest portfolio, Yaacob is no longer the portfolio holder even though he held it in the 13th Parliament term. Similar with Goh Chok Tong, listed as former PM. Its either Last held highest portfolio (condition being the portfolio held in the 13th Parliament term) or the portfolio the MP is holding when he retires. It made the table pretty inconsistent, despite the conditions written in comments inside the table. I suggest to make it simple, Yaacob as just a MP, and Goh as Emeritus Senior Minister (only), the portfolio they are holding when they announced their retirement--Justanothersgwikieditor (talk) 08:04, 1 July 2020 (UTC)

@Justanothersgwikieditor:, I think this one should be fine; the portfolio column list just the profile up to the dissolution of the current parliament starting from the formation in 2015. It should be alright. Thank you for concerning. Sculture65 (talk) 11:17, 1 July 2020 (UTC)

@Sculture65: As mentioned, I like consistency and while I am okay with your suggestion, apparently, you are not following your suggestion? --Justanothersgwikieditor (talk) 06:16, 6 July 2020 (UTC)

@Justanothersgwikieditor:, I am, just accepting your feedback. Cheers and take care. Sculture65 (talk) 10:37, 6 July 2020 (UTC)

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Term start date for new positions/MPs

Need opinion on the term start date. Should we put 10 July, or when the 14th Parliament convenes? @Sgconlaw: Any opinion? – robertsky (talk) 18:07, 10 July 2020 (UTC)

The term doesn't start until the first sitting of the new Parliament. — SGconlaw (talk) 18:09, 10 July 2020 (UTC)

Source for rejected ballots?

Hi, the results for the GE2020 include a rejected vote tally, but there are no primary sources(eld.gov.sg) that point in the direction of this number per constituency. In fact, the 2 primary sources cited ( and ) do not include this information. I found one example of rejected vote counts on the Yahoo News Singapore Facebook page (One example here: ) But there are no cited sources(for rejected votes) on this wiki page. I'm pretty new here, so I'd appreciate a lil' guidance with regards to this, thanks! --Obwama (talk) 23:10, 10 July 2020 (UTC)

References

• The numbers were probably updated as they were announced live on television broadcast, so some possible sources are the CNA YouTube and The Straits Times YouTube. -- AquaDTRS (talk) 00:16, 11 July 2020 (UTC)
• web source: https://www.channelnewsasia.com/news/specialreports/sg-votes/results – robertsky (talk) 02:18, 11 July 2020 (UTC)

Colour of parties

I propose we remove all the little bars representing the colour of the parties. It's clear that none of the parties in Singapore identify with a single colour, what's more, we can't even use their shirt colours as PAP wears white... If anyone has a better solution, I would love to hear them. Seloloving (talk) 01:05, 11 July 2020 (UTC)

I believe the colour represents the colours used in the map of the infobox, so it doesn't have to be the party colours. -- AquaDTRS (talk) 02:25, 11 July 2020 (UTC)

ITN nomination

I've nominated this article for ITN here. Darylgolden^(talk) Ping when replying 01:51, 11 July 2020 (UTC)

Use (up to 2 ncmp) for psp in the infobox for now?

s 52(3A) of the PEA allows for up to 2 ncmps from the same electoral division to be elected. Even if TCB doesn't take up his seat, there are still 2 other members that may do so. https://sso.agc.gov.sg/Act/PEA1954?ProvIds=P1III-#pr52- A10203040 (talk) 02:03, 11 July 2020 (UTC)

This a bit WP:CRYSTAL as PSP may still on the whole reject the NCMP nominations. – robertsky (talk) 02:24, 11 July 2020 (UTC)

Which is why I'm hesitant to have ncmp seats on the infobox now A10203040 (talk) 02:33, 11 July 2020 (UTC)

On splitting

There is a banner suggesting to split into a dedicated results page. I suggest splitting the pre-polling day activities into its own article instead. – robertsky (talk) 02:26, 11 July 2020 (UTC)

• agree with that A10203040 (talk) 02:34, 11 July 2020 (UTC)

• I support this if there's consensus to split, but I'm fine with the entire article on its own too. If we split maybe pre-nomination day activities can be split too. Another possibility is that we can also split the constituencies and combine them with Constituencies of Singapore#Current Electoral Map (2020–present) to form its own article like one of those Lists of Singaporean electoral divisions. -- AquaDTRS (talk) 02:41, 11 July 2020 (UTC)

Combined results table for SMCs and GRCs

Previously, the results table were split into SMCs, 4-membered GRCs and 5-membered GRCs, as follows:

Example

Single Member Constituencies Candidates and results of 2020 Singaporean general election Division Seat Voters Rejected Party Candidate(s) Votes Votes % Sample counts % 4-member Group Representation Constituencies Candidates and results of 2020 Singaporean general election Division Seats Voters Rejected Party Candidate(s) Votes Votes % Sample counts % 5-member Group Representation Constituencies Candidates and results of 2020 Singaporean general election Division Seats Voters Rejected Party Candidate(s) Votes Votes % Sample counts

I've merged them into a single table so that the results can be sorted, taking advantage of Wikipedia's in-built sorting function. This is also in line with GE2015 and GE2011 pages. Wpeneditor (talk) 02:44, 11 July 2020 (UTC)