Talk:List of presidents of the United States who were Freemasons

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Given that everyone listed in this article is also listed at the broader List of Freemasons... do we really need this list?
Perhaps keep the title but convert it to a redirect to List of Freemasons. Blueboar (talk) 16:29, 10 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Renewing this question... should we redirect? Blueboar (talk) 14:47, 9 June 2017 (UTC) Blueboar (talk) 14:47, 9 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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James Madison

I believe James Madison should be added to the list. He was a Freemason, though his exact Degree dates are lost, his membership as a Brother of the Fraternity are well documented. A Grand Secretary of the Grand Lodge of Virginia, Br. John Dove, verified James Madison's membership, even stating that in 1800 A.D. James Madison helped Found and was a Charter Member of Hiram Lodge No. 59 of Virginia. In a letter to Madison dated February 11, 1795, still located in the Library of Congress, Governor John Francis Mercer of Maryland congratulated James Madison on becoming a Freemason. Further, on September 20, 1817, James Madison marched in Procession and in Regalia with Charlottesville Lodge No. 90 and Widow's Sons Lodge No. 60 for the Masonic Dedication of the Cornerstone to what would become the University of Virginia. As a Freemason (F.& A.M.) myself, I can certainly attest without doubt that had President Madison not been a Brother, he would not have been able to partake in these events and deeds. He should not be excluded because the date of his Raising, and the like, have been lost to antiquity. Thetruchairman (talk) 09:25, 20 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

The problem is that WP has rules. Every list published by reliable sources omits Madison’s name. For WP to include him in our list, we would need to be able to cite some fairly solid sources. And we can not include things based on our own Original Research. Blueboar (talk) 10:47, 20 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Hmmm... on looking into this question a bit further (to see if I could find out why the reliable sources don’t think he should be included)... apparently Madison himself addresses the question, and wrote that he was never a Freemason. Curious. Blueboar (talk) 11:05, 20 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Official/proven freemasons vs those who don't want to make it public

Should be titled "list of presidents that are/were officially freemasons", because the list is not closed... It's by the nature of a secret fraternity.