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Moldova's Q4 2018 average wage, official data
Infos are outdated. In 2018 Q4 the gross wage was 6987,5 lei (362 EUR).
http://statistica.gov.md/newsview.php?l=ro&idc=168&id=6266&parent=0 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 77.158.155.133 (talk) 16:25, 4 March 2019 (UTC)
Here's in English: http://statistica.gov.md/newsview.php?l=en&id=6266&idc=168 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 77.158.155.133 (talk) 16:30, 4 March 2019 (UTC)
Romania's december 2018 average wage, official data
http://www.insse.ro/cms/sites/default/files/com_presa/com_pdf/cs12e18.pdf
Gross wage 4938 lei. Net wage 2957 lei. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Adrwk (talk • contribs) 00:34, 17 February 2019 (UTC)
Ligurian sea out of place
In both maps, the text (and link) to "Ligurian sea" should be removed, as it is clearly placed in the wrong area (in the middle of the Atlantic) and there seems to be no space in the correct placement. (due to semi-protected article, I can't do that myself) Marcospinaci (talk) 11:48, 23 March 2018 (UTC)
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Please change the value of salary Czech Republic, new value is 29 320 CZK (gross, Q4 2016), source: https://www.czso.cz/csu/czso/labour_and_earnings_ekon Fil.prihoda (talk) 12:06, 10 March 2017 (UTC)
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Article must be closed
It's full of creativity.This article must be stopped as agreed the Reliable Source/Noticeboard on 16/3/2017.Anioni (talk) 09:08, 14 April 2017 (UTC)
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Figures are not accurate
In the Caucuses region, the MINIMUM salary wave is posted, not the AVERAGE.
http://checkinprice.com/average-and-minimum-salary-in-baku-azerbaijan/ - "minimum salary in Baku is $236," "The average salary in Baku is $650 per month."
I'd expect someone to fact check and correct these figures.
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Hello, Baku is not Azerbaidjan (it's its capital). All capitals in the world have higher wages than their countries. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 77.158.155.133 (talk) 16:29, 4 March 2019 (UTC)
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As for Central and Eastern European countries due to dynamic increase in monthly, quarterly wages and mainly for proper comparison with each other, it make sense to use the very last available data published by Statistical Offices. Please restore and use the wage data for December in case of Hungary as most of its neighboring countries such as Ukraine, Romania, Serbia, Croatia, Slovenia use the same period. Otherwise, the current information is misleading. It shows the past not the present or tendency not to mention it is not possible to compare Hungary with its neighbors. At present it shows a difference, which does not exist. If you have a look at the map current information is absolutely misleading. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Attarte (talk • contribs) 16:56, 25 February 2018 (UTC)
- Not done As requested at my user talk page, you need to provide reliable sourcing first. -- ferret (talk) 18:28, 25 February 2018 (UTC)
protection of "list of European countries by average wage" 2.0
Reliable source of Hungarian wages in December 2017 can be seen on the page, which was protected: http://www.ksh.hu/docs/hun/xftp/gyor/ker/ker1712.html. „2017. decemberben a bruttó átlagkereset 327 700 forint volt, 13,5%-kal magasabb, mint egy évvel korábban.” In December 2017 the average gross wage was 327 700 HUF, 13.5% higher than one year ago. "Nemzetgazdasági szinten az átlagos nettó kereset... 225 800 forintra becsülhető." Net wage is 225 800 HUF. It has always been seen there; however, at the moment the page uses data for the whole year (January-December) which wouldn't be a problem if all the Central and Eastern European countries used the same period but they use recent monthly and quarterly data. Hungarian wages cannot be compared to wages in the neighbouring countries and in the region unless the previous wage data are restored. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.98.128.195 (talk) 00:01, 26 February 2018 (UTC)
In that page is reported the average monthly net wage during the year in Hungary.One year wage is statistically much more rapresentative than 1 month.In December wages are higher and so even less rapresentaive.Satistic is statistic.Even in the presentation of the article is written that it should be the whole yearly net wage /12.The monthly wage is used when this isn't possible.LittleOx (talk) 15:08, 26 February 2018 (UTC)
- I think you are wronk litttle oX.LuigiPortaro29 (talk) 15:55, 26 February 2018 (UTC)
LittleOx you are playing with periods disregarding consistency. Only God knows what the real reason is. Not to mention accusing others of vandalism and spreading propaganda even if changes are always made on the basis of official statistics. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Attarte (talk • contribs) 17:06, 26 February 2018 (UTC)
Poland taxes + request to ban LittleOx
Requesting a removal of LittleOx from this page, he has caused two problems as noted above already and is engaged in vandalism on this page
Number two is Poland taxes. Whoever was the previous editor has decided to select a random group of variables which would increase taxation. My most recent edit is from a different and more recent source, however, most importantly the tax calculated there is for a single unmarried person with zero company benefits to pay (e.g. company car, mobile phone, whatever else). This is the most fair comparison and it should be applied across all other countries if it isn't already.
Posting this here just so it doesn't get vandalised again. — Preceding unsigned comment added by PanthWiki (talk • contribs) 13:51, 9 March 2018 (UTC)
Re. United Kingdom
Sources for France, Poland and Germany all use average wages for full-time employees.
Current source for the United Kingdom includes all types of employees.
I suggest using the source I edited in the article before it was vandalised - the UK also publishes wages of full-time workers which are somewhat higher than the current number. — Preceding unsigned comment added by PanthWiki (talk • contribs) 20:42, 9 March 2018 (UTC)
Edit with source for salary data of ALL United Kingdom employees was reverted without providing sufficient reasoning, in favor of a source with the data for full-time employees only. From the looks of it, salaries for ALL employees are used in the figures for most other countries, thus data for the UK needs to be brought in line with the rest.
That also necessitates a discussion on the quality of the sources for all countries. Preferably a single source will be used for all countries, e.g. Eurostat. 85.11.133.184 (talk) 22:12, 16 October 2018 (UTC)
Average monthly salary IN A YEAR not month (Use average salary announced by statistical office for the whole year and not one month.)
To keep the values comparable I suggest to use average salary per month in given year. Instead I see that for Poland average salary for March is taken. That leads to lack of comparability and big fluctuations, as average salary for December is around 20% higher than for March because of bonuses. In December Polish salary will look artificially higher in comparison to other countries which take average salary from the whole year. I propose not using average monthly salary. --Hussein.ayatollah (talk) 12:32, 27 April 2018 (UTC)
The salary for March is for January-March period, not for December. Polish salary data is quarterly.
Using yearly salaries is pointless in the context of Eastern European because it is universal to have monthly or quarterly wage rises. Yearly wage rises are unusual. The wages of March 2017 are completely irrelevant to February 2018, unlike in Western European countries. Both because in Western Europe it is much more common to receive a yearly wage rise (or not at all), and because wage rises in Western Europe rise at a slower % rate.
That's why it would be misleading.
Also I'm not sure where interpreted bonuses from - I don't think bonuses are released.
If you look here (https://web.archive.org/web/20180224132418/https://stat.gov.pl/podstawowe-dane/) you will see the wages for October-December were 4588,58, which is lower than the 4,887 wages for January-March. So the bonuses did not raise the wages higher than the months after. Additionally, anecedotally, bonuses are extremely rare in Poland and surrounding countries. They're more common in Germany, Netherlands and especially Austria. — Preceding unsigned comment added by RevolutionizeSeven (talk • contribs) 13:04, 27 April 2018 (UTC)
Moreover, they don't provide 'yearly average salary' — Preceding unsigned comment added by RevolutionizeSeven (talk • contribs) 13:06, 27 April 2018 (UTC)
You above are wrong. March and December have the highest salaries level in a year, exactly because of bonuses. They are rare, but influence average (miners for example receive extra payments in December): Https://wynagrodzenia.pl/upload/graph/6KarolinaKurczak.PNG
Romania march 2018 average wage, official data
From national statistics office http://www.insse.ro/cms/sites/default/files/com_presa/com_pdf/cs03r18.pdf
Gross wage 4488 RON , Net wage 2704 RON. They also account for the tax overhault starting this year. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Adrwk (talk • contribs) 07:08, 9 May 2018 (UTC)
Clickable maps
Should they lead to the pages of the respective countries' economies, or leave them as they are leading to the country itself? — Preceding unsigned comment added by RevolutionizeSeven (talk • contribs) 16:43, 18 September 2018 (UTC)
Canadian Data Inaccurate
The figures for Canada show sample figures from a piece of tax software. They misrepresent the mean wage in Canada, making it about a third lower than it actually is. There is no reason not to use the same statistical data for Canada that is used for other countries presented here--this data can be found at the Statistics Canada website (https://www.statcan.gc.ca/eng/start). — Preceding unsigned comment added by BotanyWizard (talk • contribs) 15:35, 14 November 2018 (UTC)
The best figure for Canada would probably be "Average Employment Income" for "Full-year full-time workers", which stood at 64,400 annually (or 5,367 monthly) as of 2017 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 198.96.180.245 (talk) 16:57, 27 August 2019 (UTC)
US Data Inaccurate
The best comparable data from US would come from Historical Income Tables: Table P-39. Full-Time, Year-Round Workers by Mean Earnings and Sex, which gives the average earnings (wage-related income) at roughly 65.5 thousand US dollars. "Average Wage Index" includes part-time workers, which would be contrary to EU methodology. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 198.96.180.245 (talk) 16:25, 27 August 2019 (UTC)
Definition of income
Is this list supposed to list equivalents of full-time incomes or is it supposed to list averages over all kinds of incomes, including part-time-incomes? -- Liberaler Humanist (talk) 22:19, 30 November 2018 (UTC)
Azerbaijan's PPP-adjusted net wage
It looks completely wrong. Their nominal net wage is in the 200-300 euro range, yet their PPP-adjusted net wage is above 1900. Such a high PPP conversion factor is completely implausible. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A04:AE04:9800:A400:6CBC:3870:B987:55F7 (talk) 05:37, 24 January 2019 (UTC)
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please change ROmania's average wage from 600 to 635
The net aveage wage in romania in December 2018 was 635.5 EUR netto or 1065 EUR brutto, which is 2957 lei netto or 4938 lei brutto at official exchange rate of 4,6530 ron for 1 EUR, links http://www.insse.ro/cms/sites/default/files/com_presa/com_pdf/cs12r18.pdf, and http://www.bnr.ro/Cursul-de-schimb-3544.aspx 82.76.62.148 (talk) 11:47, 12 February 2019 (UTC)
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Bulgarian National Statistics Institute just released the data for the 4th quarter of 2019: Employees under Labour Contract and Gross Average Wages and Salaries, Fourth Quarter of 2018 According to that press release the average gross salary in Bulgaria in December 2019 was 1205 BGN. According to КАЛКУЛАТОР ЗАПЛАТА this corresponds to 935.05 BGN net. This data can be plugged into the table "European and transcontinental countries by monthly average wage" and replace the values there for the previous quarter. Nikolay UK (talk) 13:39, 13 February 2019 (UTC)
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We need to edit the average salary for the Republic of Macedonia. The Net salary in December was 420 Eur and the Brut salary 600 Eur. 77.28.100.111 (talk) 08:57, 24 February 2019 (UTC)
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Austria's gross monthly income has no source
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The article provides https://www.bruttonetto-rechner.at/ as a source for gross monthly income in Austria. This website is a calculator designed to translate gross income to net income but does not contain any official statistics of average income in Austria.
Statistik Austria does provide relevant data though. According to this article here, Austrian gross monthly income of full-time employees supposedly is 2.688 Euros. According to Statistik Austria though, that's the gross monthly income of all employees (source, which states that in 2017 the gross annual income of all employees was 32.267 Euros, which, divided by 12, results in a gross monthly income of 2.688 Euros).
The gross annual income of full-time employees though amounted to 49.966 Euros in 2017 (source), which, divided by 12, results in a gross monthly income of 4.164 Euros. That's an annual net income of 33.964 Euros (source), which, divided by 12, results in a net monthly income of 2.830 Euros.
Therefore, please change (1) net average monthly salary from € 1,848 to € 2,830 both in the map and in the table; (2) gross average monthly salary from € 2,688 to € 4,164 both in the map and in the table; (3) the source in the table for net local currency from https://www.bruttonetto-rechner.at/ to http://www.statistik.at/web_de/statistiken/menschen_und_gesellschaft/soziales/personen-einkommen/jaehrliche_personen_einkommen/074885.html; (4) the source in the table for gross local currency from https://www.bruttonetto-rechner.at/ to http://www.statistik.at/web_de/statistiken/menschen_und_gesellschaft/soziales/personen-einkommen/jaehrliche_personen_einkommen/074884.html
Also, probably the PPP value is wrong too, but I don't fully understand how this was calculated.
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Azerbaijan's Net Monthly Average Wage in $ by PPP is completely wrong - Please fix
It says $1901, however, if we follow the source and calculate it ourselves, it shows a completely different and a more believable number:
Net monthly wage: 448 AZN (2018) (from the table)
PPP Conversion rate AZN to USD for 2019: 0.433 (Source: IMF, the one that is linked in the article)
Calculated Azerbaijani net average monthly salary by PPP: 448 / 0.433 = $1035 (versus $1901 in the table on the map)
I wonder how the $1901 number was calculated as the PPP conversion rate did not change significantly in the last few years (0.423 in 2018). For this to be accurate, the PPP conversion rate would have to be 0.23, and the last time this happened was in 2007.
I do not have the rights to edit the article, so I am hoping someone who is able to do that will. Thank you. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Tsovits-tsov (talk • contribs) 10:57, 19 April 2019 (UTC)
Poland: update values for March 2019
Hi Team, Could you please update the Polish amounts? March/2019 Gross: 5164,53 PLN / 1210,05 EUR Net: 3665,39 PLN / 858,80 EUR
Thank you in advance. — Preceding unsigned comment added by MiWojci (talk • contribs) 14:23, 11 June 2019 (UTC)
Why data for Poland has been changed yesterday? There is available source for the current period. Please update. It was correct yesterday. — Preceding unsigned comment added by MiWojci (talk • contribs) 09:03, 13 June 2019 (UTC)
Again, why data for Poland hamulcowy been changed again and backdated to 2017? MiWojci (talk) 05:56, 14 June 2019 (UTC)
Polish salary PPP
It's calculated poorly, it should be (as of March 2019) 3680 pln / 1.77 = 2079 $PPP — Preceding unsigned comment added by Polinejkes (talk • contribs) 22:34, 17 June 2019 (UTC)
Exacly, good point. Swarzędz Team, could you please update? MiWojci (talk) 20:31, 23 June 2019 (UTC)
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new data for Hungary:
Please change Hungary's gross local currency from HUF 367,200 to 371,100 HUF Net local currency from HUF 234,200 to 246,800 HUF
source: https://www.ksh.hu/docs/hun/xftp/gyor/ker/ker1904.html Orientalist hun (talk) 09:00, 28 June 2019 (UTC)
Slovakia's net wage is suspect/a mess
Gross wages to net wages using this tool: (http://www.slovaktaxcalculator.com/en/calculation-1.alej?typ=tpp&zakladtpp=1023&deti=0&detido6r=0¬usedan=no) gives a net wage of 780 at may's prices.
Need to update to a new baseline (data is too old for many countries)
Portugal's wage data is now 3 years old. That's no longer acceptable given that some countries are updated months of Q2 of 2019. Other countries are at 2017. IMHO, a general baseline should be met that at least 1 year old should be the minimum threshold for being in the database. Some countries have more prolific contributors than others, but even people who are not from that country should make an effort to update the data, otherwise we risk seeing the dataset becoming obsolete because the whole point of it is to compare countries. That needs updated data, or else it is useless. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.216.206.112 (talk) 07:15, 23 July 2019 (UTC)
The data on Ukraine is not up to date
It's shown in the table that the salary in Ukraine is 10783 UAH in the July 2019 while the reference is to the data of June 2019 and the same with the exchange rate. The average wage in Ukraine in July 2019 was 10971 UAH according to UKRSTAT datasheet. The exchange rate should also be changed as in July 2019 it wasn't an average of 0,035 Euros for 1 UAH. Orest02 (talk) 08:48, 10 September 2019 (UTC)
Harmonisation of wages
A big problem is that the wage numbers show different things. For instance, in Slovakia and Poland, the numbers right now reflect very high wages which are typical in the final month of the year, but that is not normal otherwise. Other countries have data which are two years old.
It would be better if we could publish harmonised data. So for instance, publish wages indexed to the same time period for everyone. The best approach would be on a quarterly basis, which would balance between the need to be up-to-date and still not get the seasonality volatility effect. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.216.213.197 (talk) 18:11, 21 January 2020 (UTC)
- I agree that there has to be some sort of harmonisation, not only to take into account seasonal changes (which might be challenging depending on when data is released for individual countries), but also to make sure that the same type of data is compared, in particular median vs mean salary, full-time employee vs all employees, etc. These definitions should be included on the wiki page. --Curiossceptic (talk) 17:48, 26 January 2020 (UTC)
Slovakia's gross wage is wrong
1371€ is average gross wage in manufacturing/industry. It is not national average salary. Therefore this article is a big misinformation and I request to delete it or significantly update. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mosaicxxx (talk • contribs) 19:04, 23 January 2020 (UTC)
Remove Turkey
There is no official data for Turkey. Numbeo is not a source. It is heavily skewed towards higher-income earners in poorer countries. As such, there is no reason to keep the country in the database given that there is simply no reliable data on average wages. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.216.213.197 (talk) 14:20, 26 January 2020 (UTC)
Albania wage is only public rather than total - please fix
The number for Albania is only for public, which is misleading. Total gross average wage (private *and* public) in Q3 of 2019 is 51 870 in local currency. That is €425 at current exchange rates. It would also update their number from 2017 to 2019. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.216.213.197 (talk) 15:44, 7 February 2020 (UTC)
Dates on the map data!!?
Given the frequent experience of Wikipedia-displayed data to lag behind current time, it's mind-boggling that the two big maps at the top of the page don't exhibit the birth date of their underlying data, nor either assert their being automatically kept up to date (as the unlikely case my be). Their being silent about it, implies the effect of the latter declaration on the naive viewer, which counts as a (likely) lie by omission.
Looking at the tables coming below the maps, where the data is time-tagged, doesn't in fact make it straightforward to decide whether the maps are constructed from the same data.
2A02:21B0:644C:3367:74AA:CE2C:1EDE:E01A (talk) 11:36, 19 March 2020 (UTC)
April 2020 Update
I have noticed quite a few issues with the table:
- Some values are out of date, often 1 to 3 years behind the current times.
- The net wage adjusted for PPP is miscalculated even for the already existing values.
- (More contentious point) In some countries pension contributions and university education are free, in some they are not. Therefore net wage does not represent the same value as it does elsewhere. For example: in the UK for example most people earning the average wage additionally pay back student loans and contribute a percentage of their salary to pensions. In Poland on the other hand university education is free and pension contributions are an obligatory part of taxation. So net wage in one country constitutes a completely different deal for an average earner than net wage in the other country. The solution would be to include average pension contributions and average student loan payment (in the UK) in the calculation of the net wage. So that the values would represent roughly the same situation (single, university-educated, average pension, average salary) and how much disposable income a person in this situation would have.
As for points 1 and 2, I have corrected the data for Poland, Czech Republic, Germany, France and UK. France seems to be the most difficult one and I believe that even my correction is only true for 2018. If anyone has access to accurate data in France when it comes to average gross salary in at least 2019-Q4, please let us all know.
Also, from the reasoning in point 3 above, I have included average pension contributions in the UK and average student loan payment for an average wage earner in the net wage calculation. It results in a more meaningful comparison to other European countries.
Moldova's average wage for Q2-2020
Moldova, q2-2020, according to statistica.md:
The gross average wage for Q2-2020 represents 7849,0 Lei or 401 EUR (now 383 EUR is written)
Source: National Bureau of statistics.
https://statistica.gov.md/newsview.php?l=en&idc=168&id=6747&parent=0
Thus, according to salarii.md the Net wage is 6 181,87 MDL or 316 EUR (instead of 302).
Shortly, Please change Gross Average wage from 383 to 401 EUR, Net average wage from 302 to 316 EUR.
Cheers. Kornelius111982 (talk) 12:36, 7 September 2020 (UTC)
Average wage in Moldova for Q2-2020
Average wage in Moldova, Q2-2020:
Change Gross Average wage from 383 to 401 EUR, Net average wage from 302 to 316 EUR
Data for Belarus is incorrect
Gross Salary is 1,287.5 BYN (JULY 2020) Source: https://myfin.by/wiki/term/srednyaya-zarplata-v-belarusi
Net Salary is 1,133.0 BYN (JULY 2020) Source: https://www.belarus.by/en/invest/investment-climate/taxation
Gross Salray in Euros 449.23 Net Salary in Euros 395.32 Net Salary in US Dollars 464.61 Source: https://www.nbrb.by/statistics/rates/ratesdaily.asp
Net PPP Salary in US Dollars 1,531.06 Source for the ratio: https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/geos/bo.html — Preceding unsigned comment added by Russseh (talk • contribs) 03:06, 11 September 2020 (UTC)
Wage table
At List of European countries by average wage#European and transcontinental countries by monthly average wage, I'd like to suggest moving the flags for EU, Eurozone, etc. membership into a more useful (and MoS-compliant) "Group" column, which will allow sorting by them and improve the (currently staggered) appearance of the country column. E.g.:
State | Group | Local currency | Exchange rate to € |
Date | € | Net PPP in $[1] | |||
---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
Net | Gross | Gross | Net | Amount | As % of median | ||||
Albania | CEFTA | ALL 44,250[2][3][4][5] | ALL 53,232[6] | 0.0081[7] | 2020-Q1 | 429 | 356 | 1,042 | 62% |
Armenia | EAEU | AMD 134,739[8] | AMD 182,200[9] | 0.0018[10] | 2020-06 | 336 | 249 | 668 | 46% |
Austria | Eurozone | €2,885[11] | €4,261[12] | 1 | 2018 | 4,261 | 2,885 | 3,476 | 188% |
Azerbaijan | GODED | AZN 591[13] | AZN 712[14] | 0.4987[15] | 2020-03 | 355 | 295 | 1,035 | 56% |
Belarus | EAEU | BYN 829[16] | BYN 953[17] | 0.31[18] | 2020-02 | 300 | 261 | 1,235 | 86% |
Belgium | Eurozone | €2,170[19] | €3,401[20] | 1 | 2017-05 | 3,401 | 2,170 | 2,450 | 133% |
Bulgaria | EU | BGN 1,051[21] | BGN 1,355[22] | 0.5113[23] | 2020-06 | 693 | 538 | 1,549 | 82% |
—[AlanM1 (talk)]— 14:03, 7 October 2020 (UTC)
Ireland?
Why Irish GDP net ppp is different on map and on table? Which one is right? Artur.cork82 (talk) 18:17, 31 October 2020 (UTC)
Wages
We could use the same method used for Italy also for Spanish wage would be higher and may me closer to the Italian one.It's rally easy to calculate it for Spain. The Spanish average one in 2018 according to OECD is 30239 €.Giolocam (talk) 21:13, 11 November 2020 (UTC)