Talk:19 (number)

Simple divisibility test!?

With respect to divisibility, nineteen has a very simple test: 19 divides 100×a+b if and only if it divides a+4×b.

I hardly think that's simple, and certainly not very simple. My standard for a simple divisibility test is whether performing the divisibility test is actually easier than dividing the number. In the case of this divisibility test, I think it's a lot easier to just divide the number. PrimeFan 21:38, 29 Apr 2004 (UTC)

Plichta

Ok we can argue about it being a key number but it certainly is a very important no. in chemistry like a code which was discovered by Dr. Plichta. Goto http://www.submission.org/miracle/19-chemistry.html , youll see plichtas calcs past half the article but do go through all of it.

Until there is something about this in a reliable source (probably a refereed journal), it doesn't belong in Wikipedia.Ma^t_chups 03:46, 2 January 2010 (UTC)

"In other fields" section

I've restored the "In other fields" section for the sake of consistency, as other articles about numbers have such a section (they are standardized by Wikipedia:WikiProject Numbers). Korg (talk) 17:01, 3 October 2008 (UTC)

Wikepedia on 19 information

Since your format is so spartan, just to let you know that your article on 19 will be a humorous  show peice in the book on non linear mathematics, and the book without giving its name is based on 19 prime and features the name of one of the most distinguished mathematician of the world who is on Wikepedia on its cover , and proves that the number 19 and its inverse is the center peice of all non linear mathematics. 

I suppose we can give you an equation to give all you "Spartans" a hint: sans the thieves that abound in mathematics today

10/19-0.5 =0.026315789474 =(10/19*0.5)/10 =0.5- 9/19 =(9/19*0.5)/9--

71.98.63.98 (talk) 15:59, 3 March 2011 (UTC)--71.98.63.98 (talk) 15:59, 3 March 2011 (UTC) .

The only unique equation in the world discovered by us and proving the main role of 19 in non linear mathematics.

V.Cameron M.D De pointes (talk)

P.S The format of Wikipedia is too spartan for any comments / discussion in mathematics/ sciences

71.98.63.98 (talk) 15:59, 3 March 2011 (UTC)

Islam: #19 in Qur'an

Islam

• The number of angels guarding Hell ("Hellfire") according to the Qur'an: "Over it is nineteen" (74:30). Note: there were 19 Muslim terrorists on 9/11.
• The Number of Verse and Sura together in the Qur'an which announces "Jesus son of Maryam's (Mary's) birth" (Qur'an 19:19).

I added that there were 19 terrorists on 9/11. I also changed the wording from "Jesus Christ" to "Jesus son of Maryam's (Mary's) birth". This is how it appears in the Qur'an. 65.10.167.133 (talk) 01:03, 4 June 2011 (UTC) Brad Watson, Miami

The first Statement of Quran having 19 Arabic letters.

I God Willing intend to add some statements on number 19 in the "Religion" section to show number 19's association with the Quran as its code.

For example, it’s the sum of the first powers of 9 and 10 and the difference between the second powers of 9 and 10 (Martin Gardner, Scientific American, Sept. 1980, p. 22).

بِسۡمِ ٱللهِ ٱلرَّحۡمَـٰنِ ٱلرَّحِيمِ (١ [Quran 1:1] In the name of GOD, Most Gracious, Most Merciful.*

• 1:1 The first verse in the Quran represents the foundation upon which a superhuman 19-based mathematical miracle is built. This important statement consists of 19 Arabic letters, and every word in it occurs in the whole Quran in multiples of 19 (Quran: By Dr. Rashad Khalifa Ph D).

AlphaOmega19 (talk) 09:07, 8 November 2011 (UTC)

The Quran's verse (and even chapter) structure is not formally established. And, we would need to know that Dr. Rashad Khalifa is an expert (whether or not you are he), or published in what we consider reliable sources. I would advise against these additions unless from reliable sources. — Arthur Rubin (talk) 15:00, 9 November 2011 (UTC)

See Rashad Khalifa, United_Submitters_International#The_Quran.27s_Mathematical_code_of_number_19... AnonMoos (talk) 20:37, 9 November 2011 (UTC)

AlphaOmega19 - 12 Nov 2011

Thanks to Arthur for asking me to provide evidence of expert and published in reliable sources; and specially to AnonMoos for putting the link about the above. May my Lord guide me to do better next time. Dr. Rashad Khalifa, among other aspects, was on the roster of scientists called ‘Technical Assistance Experts’ with the United Nations Industrial Development Organization (UNIDO) http://www.masjidtucson.org/publications/books/jesus/chapter10.pdf.

God willing, I now propose to add the following statements on number 19 in the Section "Religion" Islam (Submission to God) section to show the number 19's association with the Quran code:

1. To supplement the existing statement on the page >> The Number of Verse and Sura together in the Qur'an which announces "Jesus son of Maryam's (Mary's) birth" (Qur'an 19:19). << the following addition is proposed. The first verse of Chapter (Sura) 19 – Maryam (Mary) is: K. H. Y. 'A. S.* (Kãf Hã Yã 'Ayn Sãd)

• 19:1 This is the maximum number of Quranic Initials. The five initials of the Quran code provide a powerful physical evidence to support virgin birth of Jesus and other issues referred to in this Sura (See Appendices 1 & 22) http://www.masjidtucson.org/quran/frames/index.html. Dr. Rashad Khalifa offered proof about his claim of the 19 based miracle in the Quran and his role to purify and consolidate all God's messages into one. He also pointed that the same 19 based code existed for example in the Old Testament.

2. بِسۡمِ ٱللهِ ٱلرَّحۡمَـٰنِ ٱلرَّحِيمِ (١ http://www.masjidtucson.org/quran/miracle/images/basmalah2.jpg [Quran 1:1] In the name of GOD, Most Gracious, Most Merciful.* 1:1 The first verse in the Quran represents the foundation upon which a superhuman 19-based mathematical miracle is built. This important statement consists of 19 Arabic letters, and every word in it occurs in the whole Quran in multiples of 19 (Quran: By Rashad Khalifa Ph.D.) http://www.masjidtucson.org/quran/frames/index.html.

3. The Quran has 19 x 6 = 114 Suras (Chapters) http://www.masjidtucson.org/quran/frames/index.html.

4. There are numerous 19 related mathematical patterns in the Quran as evidenced under Overview, History and External Links on Wikipedia’s Quran code.

AlphaOmega19 (talk) 04:24, 12 November 2011 (UTC)

I disagree with the inclusion. It's the unique theory of Rashad Khalifa and United Submitters International the organization may be notable enough to have the notes with "according to United Submitters International".... — Arthur Rubin (talk) 13:02, 12 November 2011 (UTC)

It is a fact that Quran has 114 = 19x6 Suras (Chapters). This is confirmed http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quran (please see 3rd sentence). I trust you have no reservation on this else please share your research.

AlphaOmega19 (talk) 13:33, 12 November 2011 (UTC)

Actually, I'm not sure the Suras are numbered. There have been reports that only the text of the Quran is considered inspired, not the division into Suras. Furthermore, thats would be a property of 114, not of 19. — Arthur Rubin (talk) 19:08, 12 November 2011 (UTC)

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Thanks again Arthur for sharing your points of view. The idea is to present the number 19 as the common base by using those facts which are simple and easy to verify. These facts can also be verified by using Quran data from sites and sources independent of United Submitters International. The independent sources include following,

1. Corpus Quran – For 19 related verification. http://corpus.quran.com/wordbyword.jsp?chapter=19&verse=1

2. It is a fact that one can verify the 19 based proofs using for example the highly verified Unicode Quran text used in Quranic websites and applications from http://tanzil.net/wiki/Tanzil_Project which is independent of United Submitters International.

3. Miracles of Quran – For 19 related verification. http://www.miraclesofthequran.com/mathematical_03.html 4. The Online Quran Project includes the Qur'an translation into English by Marmaduke Pickthall. There are about 38 English translations in the link below. It also has transliteration in English. http://al-quran.info/?x=y#&&sura=24&aya=1&trans=en-marmaduke_pickthall&show=both,quran-uthmani&ver=2.00 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marmaduke_Pickthall Trust you have no objection to my placing on the page the items proposed earlier and those below with additional reliable sources and adding presently, the words according to/ as presented by United Submitters International.

Example of the simple facts that can be independently verified are http://www.masjidtucson.org/quran/appendices/appendix1verify.html ,

1. The first verse (1:1),known as "Basmalah," consists of 19 letters.

2. The Quran consists of 114 suras, which is 19 x 6.

3. The total number of verses in the Quran is 6346, or 19 x 334. [6234 numbered verses & 112 un-numbered verses (Basmalahs) 6234+112 =

       6346] Note that 6+3+4+6= 19. 

4. The Basmalah occurs 114 times, despite its conspicuous absence from Sura 9 (it occurs twice in Sura 27) & 114 = 19 x 6.

5. From the missing Basmalah of Sura 9 to the extra Basmalah of Sura 27, there are precisely 19 suras.

6. It follows that the total of the sura numbers from 9 to 27 (9+10+11+12+...+26+27) is 342, or 19 x 18.

7. This total (342) also equals the number of words between the two Basmalahs of Sura 27, and 342 = 19 x 18.

8. The famous first revelation (96:1-5) consists of 19 words.

9. This 19-worded first revelation consists of 76 letters 19 x 4.

10. Sura 96, first in the chronological sequence, consists of 19 verses .

11. This first chronological sura is placed atop the last 19 suras.

12. Sura 96 consists of 304 Arabic letters, and 304 equals 19 x 16.

13. The last revelation (Sura 110) consists of 19 words.

14. The first verse of the last revelation (110:1) consists of 19 letters.

15. 14 different Arabic letters, form 14 different sets of "Quranic Initials" (such as A.L.M. of 2:1), and prefix 29 suras. These numbers

       add up to 14+14+29 = 57= 19 x 3. 

16. The total of the 29 sura numbers where the Quranic Initials occur is 2+3+7+...+50+68 = 822, and 822+14 (14 sets of initials) equals

       836, or 19 x 44. 

17. Between the first initialed sura (Sura 2) and the last initialed sura (Sura 68) there are 38 un-initialed suras 19 x 2.

18. Between the first and last initialed sura there are19 sets of alternating “initialed” and “uninitialed” suras.

19. The Quran mentions 30 different numbers: 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 19, 20, 30, 40, 50, 60, 70, 80, 99, 100, 200, 300,

      1000, 2000, 3000, 5000, 50000, & 100000. The sum of these numbers is 162146, which equals 19x8534.

20. When you recite "The Key" in Arabic, your lips touch each other precisely 19 times. Your lips touch each other where the letters "B" and "M" occur. There are 4 "B's" and 15 "M's" and this adds p to 19. The gematrical value of the 4 "B's" is 4x2=8, and the gematrical value of the 15 "M's" is 15x40=600. The total gematrical value of the 4 "B's" and 15 "M's" is 608, that is 19x32.

Word        - Letter            -                    Value

1. Bism - B - 2

2. Bism - M - 40

3. Rahman - M - 40

4. Rahim - M - 40

5. Al-Hamdu - M - 40

6. Rub - B - 2

7. `Alamin - M - 40

8. Rahman - M - 40

9. Rahim - M - 40

10. Malik - M - 40

11. Yawm - M - 40

12. Na`budu - B - 2

13. Mustaqim - M - 40

14. Mustaqim - M - 40

15. An`amta - M - 40

16. `Alayhim - M - 40

17. Maghdub - M - 40

18. Maghdub - B - 2

19. `Alayhim - M - 40

                                                       608

                                                     (19x32)

(AlphaOmega19 (talk) 20:54, 12 November 2011 (UTC))

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Arthur Peace be upon you,

Can you please equitably elaborate for common benefit of this page and to me, which of the following links that have been quoted are “badly sourced” and why:

• http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quranic_Arabic_Corpus (The Quranic Arabic Corpus is an annotated linguistic resource consisting of 77,430 words of Quranic Arabic ) http://corpus.quran.com/wordbyword.jsp?chapter=19&verse=1 is a resource of the above. If you have any reservations please elaborate.

• http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marmaduke_Pickthall provides external links to online Quran project containing about 38 English Translations. These prove the contents K.H.Y.’A.S of Sura (Chapter) 19:1. If you have reservations or consider it “trivia” please elaborate.

• http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muqatta%27at proves that Chapter (Sura) 19 of the Quran has the maximum number of initials in any verse or Sura.

• http://www.universityofcalicut.info/syl/Islamic.pdf the University of Calicut India proves (i) the relevance of mathematics and 19 (ii) the relevance of Sura Mary and the number 19. If you have any reservation about the modified presentation as above please elaborate.

God Willing I propose to improve the formatting by placing two bullet points on the article page,

• The first verse of Chapter (Sura) 19 of the Quran – Maryam (Mary) comprises of only 5 letters in multiple of 19 in this chapter: K. H. Y. 'A. S.* (Kãf Hã Yã 'Ayn Sãd). These are the maximum number of initials. These facts are widely accepted.

• The total number of these five letters is a multiple of 19. http://www.19miracle.org/math-miracle-of-quran/19-mary-k-h-y-a-s The aggregate of these five letters K. H. Y. 'A. S of Chapter (Sura) 19 is 19 x 42 (137+175+343+117+26 = 798)

This link acknowledges that “Arabic text is from an external source: tanzil.net. http://tanzil.net/wiki/Tanzil_Project this is highly verifiable Unicode Quran text used in Quranic various websites.

If there are any other formatting improvements please suggest else please provide links to verify what you consider good formatting.

On 12th Nov 2011 on the discussion page I had proposed items to be uploaded and had also stated “Trust you have no objection to my placing on the page the items proposed earlier and those below with additional reliable sources and adding presently, the words according to/ as presented by United Submitters International” and I did not receive any comments from anyone till 19th Nov 2011. Trust there are no reservations for the above.

(AlphaOmega19 (talk) 19:04, 21 November 2011 (UTC))

I'm not sure I have objections, but I don't think you have a any clearly reliable source. In discussions of any religious work, there are always dissenting views, and it's not clear your sources are mainstream. — Arthur Rubin (talk) 19:52, 21 November 2011 (UTC)

Arthur Peace be upon you,

Thanks for your response. Could you please equitably also consider the following additional common sense reasons submitted here and elaborate why the Quran’s 19 code should be discriminated against in Wikipedia because the majority of those following “mainstream” Islam have not proclaimed it as visible to you?

1. It is apparent that “mainstream” Islam led by numerous opposing and dissenting cultural, religious sects, political, military leaders, kings and dictators has been far from cohesive ¬-- as clearly shown by continuing bloodshed in the Middle East and elsewhere, limitations on freedoms, peer pressure, terrorism and such.

2. In the above context, the sources relating to the Mathematical code 19 in the Quran additionally demonstrated below, are from “mainstream” Islam – for example – please see paragraphs 2 (a) to 4 below:

(a) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quran_code history section shows: This now debatable discovery received wide publicity throughout the Islamic world – for example: http://www.masjidtucson.org/publications/books/jesus/chapter10.pdf. By the end of 1973, Rashad Khalifa had become well-known in circles (even a hero to some), commanding full-house audiences as he lectured at universities, mosques, organizations, and even royal and presidential palaces.

(b) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rashad_Khalifa states Khalifa's first publicized report in the Arab world appeared in the Egyptian magazine Akher Sa'a, in January, 1973. Updates of his research were subsequently published by the same magazine later that year and again in 1975: • ^ Akher Sa'a magazine, Egypt, January 24, 1973. • ^ Akher Sa'a magazine, Egypt, November 28, 1973. • ^ Akher Sa'a magazine, Egypt, December 31, 1975.

(c) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quran_code history section shows: However, his claims led to conclusions that unavoidably run contrary to the beliefs of mainstream Islam. A few examples of being contrary to mainstream Islam have been provided with links in the above page. Another example why present perceptions of “mainstream” Islam may cause reservations in formally accepting and proclaiming the 19 code and its consequential conclusions, is the book reflecting women's rights based on Quran. http://masjidtucson.org/publications/books/womensrights/index.html

3. It is submitted as logic and common sense that those of “mainstream” Islam who choose to publicly accept the 19 code in Quran and its conclusions that unavoidably run contrary to the beliefs of “mainstream” Islam, risk a lot in most Islamic countries. For example http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apostasy_in_Islam states “Prominent recent examples of writers and activists killed because of apostasy claims include … Rashad Khalifa http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rashad_Khalifa Thus expecting to visually see a majority of those following “mainstream” Islam proclaiming 19 code in Quran, needs to be tempered with good logic, judgment, thoughtfulness and consideration.

4. Book written by Cesar Adib Majul, Ph.D., Former Dean, Institute of Islamic Studies, University of the Philippines regarding the 19 based Mathematical Structure of Quran: http://books.google.com/books/about/The_names_of_Allah_in_relation_to_the_ma.html?id=pntCAAAACAAJ and https://catalog.library.cornell.edu/cgi-bin/Pwebrecon.cgi?BBID=973897&DB=local and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cesar_Adib_Majul

5. Notwithstanding the above, the items of the 19 code in Quran proposed to be presented here, I understand, have not been ones where dissenting views of any significance have been shown. If there are any verifiable presentations contrary to what has been proposed, please show. Thanks.

Trust there are now no reservations for the above.

(AlphaOmega19 (talk) 18:43, 22 November 2011 (UTC))

In all Scriptural Languages word One has Gematrical Value of 19.

God Willing few more on Number 19 in the Quran.

The gematrical value of the word “ONE” in all the scriptural languages—Aramaic, Hebrew, and Arabic. The number 19, therefore, proclaims the First Commandment in all the scriptures: that there is only ONE God. As shown in Table 7, the Aramaic, Hebrew, and Arabic alphabets used to double as numerals in accordance with a universally established system. The Hebrew word for “ONE” is “VAHD” (pronounced V-AHAD). In Arabic, the word for “ONE” is “WAHD” (pronounced WAAHED).

AlphaOmega19 (talk) 13:35, 9 November 2011 (UTC)

You mean Hebrew ואחד Arabic واحد . You're kind of cheating a little with the Hebrew, since the "w" in Hebrew is the word for "and", so the Hebrew form means "and one" (not just one). In any case, Christians also consider Greek to be a scriptural language... AnonMoos (talk) 20:43, 9 November 2011 (UTC)

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AlphaOmega 19 - 12 Nov 2011

I had only reproduced the work of Dr. Khalifa further supported by Raymond A. Klesc the author of this article http://www.masjidtucson.org/publications/books/sp/1999/oct/page2.html, http://www.masjidtucson.org/publications/books/sp/1999/oct/page3.html.

I have no intentions of cheating and would welcome your research on the subject and would like to know your opinion on the following statement made by this gentleman in point 3 of the article http://www.masjidtucson.org/publications/books/sp/1999/oct/page2.html

"Nineteen looks the same in Semitic and European languages. Both components, 1 and 9, are the only numerals that look the same in these languages."

AlphaOmega19 (talk) 04:52, 12 November 2011 (UTC)

I really don't know what that means -- the Proto-Indo-European word for "nine" was something like *newn (with syllabic final "n"), while the Proto-Semitic word for "nine" was something like *tišʕu (where ʕ is a voiced pharyngeal sound of a type which does not occur in Indo-European languages). The words in the various daughter languages manifest this basic difference. If any number words are compared between Semitic and Proto-Indo-European, it's usually those for "six" and/or "seven"... AnonMoos (talk) 22:28, 12 November 2011 (UTC)

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Understand your view on the pronunciation, but the issue here is the similarity between these languages wherein numerals 1 and 9 look similar. The other point that I missed replying to AnonMoos concern about the letter ‘v’ of ‘vahd’ in Hebrew, it is same in Arabic also no wonder why words in Arabic are borrowed from Hebrew http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arabic_language . In Arabic also ‘ w=و ’ the first letter of ‘Waahed’ which also means ‘and’, while ‘echadh’ of Hebrew is same as ‘ahad’ in Arabic. It depends on the context both ‘ahad’ and ‘waahed’ are used in Arabic depending on the usage, however when referring to number one it is referred as ‘Waahed’ a word with ‘w’. http://translate.google.com/#en%7Car%7C

On Google translation you may enter ‘ahad’ and ‘waahed’ for Arabic to convert it to English the answer is still ONE in either cases and if you were to do the same by typing ONE in English and convert to Hebrew one of the answers is אחדת. This way it not only proves the connection between the 2 languages but at the same time support that the numerical value for ‘VAHD’ in Hebrew and ‘WAHD’ are 19. http://translate.google.com/#en%7Ciw%7Cone http://www.hebrew4christians.com/Grammar/Unit_One/Numeric_Values/numeric_values.html (AlphaOmega19 (talk) 09:17, 13 November 2011 (UTC))

Re: newn vs. tišʕu -- if you don't mean pronunciation, then I really don't know what you mean, and you need to clarify your meaning before you can expect to get this into the article.

Re: Hebrew ואחד Arabic واحد -- they're really not the same. The Hebrew language underwent a change of sounds according to which "w" at the beginning of a word became "y". That's why if you look in a Biblical Hebrew dictionary, you'll see hardly any words beginning with "w-", except for the basic monoconsonantal conjunction (which escaped the sound change) and a few foreign-language names. The consonantal root of Arabic واحد is w-ħ-d, which by sounds corresponds with Hebrew root y-ħ-d. The Hebrew root y-ħ-d shows up in a few words, generally meaning "together, community", but the Hebrew word meaning "one" derives from a root ʔ-ħ-d (i.e. glottal stop + voiceless pharyngeal + voiced dental stop). The Hebrew consonantal root ʔ-ħ-d is obviously related in some way with root y-ħ-d, but the overall conclusion is the same as before -- the "w" in ואחד is the conjunction prefix (not part of the root), and therefore the meaning is "and one" (or sometimes "but one"), not just "one"... AnonMoos (talk)