Talk:Adoption of Ala'a Eddeen

Institute of Near Eastern & African Studies

I was not able to find any independent news coverage about that "institute". If such coverage cannot be presented, the section "criticism" will be removed as sourcing by advocacy, POV site.--Mbz1 (talk) 15:18, 7 March 2011 (UTC)

Where do you get the idea that all sources must meet WP:N? Passionless -Talk 20:01, 7 March 2011 (UTC)

Well, because comparing two cases that have absolutely nothing in common as that site does rises eyebrows. It is a POV pushing site. The section will be removed, and may I please ask you to discuss your new "criticism" sections before you'd add to the article.--Mbz1 (talk) 20:05, 7 March 2011 (UTC)

Sorry but your gonig to have to go the Wikipedia:Reliable sources/Noticeboard before your claims that a site is not a RS matter. Passionless -Talk 20:13, 7 March 2011 (UTC)

Actually, the normal route is bold, revert, discuss. You added something, tho editors agreed it should be removed and then you should discuss it. Please revert yourself.--Mbz1 (talk) 20:33, 7 March 2011 (UTC)

Also this source shouldn't be included per WP:UNDUE as it a fringe opinion.--Shrike (talk) 06:57, 8 March 2011 (UTC)

Criticism

What does child trafficking has to do with this specific case.Also references given doesn't mention Ala'a Eddeen.I think its a classic case of WP:OR--Shrike (talk) 17:10, 7 March 2011 (UTC)

Agree. Please remove the whole section.--Mbz1 (talk) 17:13, 7 March 2011 (UTC)

I knew this would come up which is why my edit summary was "added criticism, second part is not SYNTH, as connected through INEAS article". WP:OR has nothing to do with this, what you wanted to complain about was WP:SYNTH, I still have a lot of work to do on this 'article', the two parts of criticism will flow better soon.

Again these two articles has nothing to do with the subject in question even if some article say it does like you said it still WP:SYNTH.Anyhow please introduce any change that you propose to talk first per WP:BRD--Shrike (talk) 20:18, 7 March 2011 (UTC)

Oh and Shrike, please see WP:HOUND, if I find you following me again I will report you. Passionless -Talk 19:55, 7 March 2011 (UTC)

You should see it too.How did you get to this article?If has not followed other editor?--Shrike (talk) 20:18, 7 March 2011 (UTC)

I commented on its AfD over a week ago, even if I found it another way it does not matter, because I do not have the intent to annoy another editor by following them. Passionless -Talk 20:21, 7 March 2011 (UTC)

How does edit is annoying I merely asked legitimate question in talk--Shrike (talk) 20:26, 7 March 2011 (UTC)

Thanks to this edit the section looks much more neutral now except it is still could be treated as wp:synth and wp:OR. There's no mention in Guardian's article about Ala'a's adoption. This case is different from all other because the boy is paralyzed.--Mbz1 (talk) 21:15, 7 March 2011 (UTC)

Tags

Mbz1, the tags are there as they serve the purpose of warning people there is an ongoing discussion about the article and that they should join the discussion. Leave the tags until the problems are resolved through discussion. Passionless -Talk 21:09, 9 March 2011 (UTC)

No, the articles that are displayed at the main page now should never be tagged. period.--Mbz1 (talk) 21:12, 9 March 2011 (UTC)

Is that backed by policy or is that your opinion? Passionless -Talk 21:14, 9 March 2011 (UTC)

This is an unwritten policy. Besides, as you well aware the site you added as a source is being discussed now at Reliable sources/Noticeboard. So far nobody said it is RS. Wait until discussion is over before tagging the article and/or adding that source again.--Mbz1 (talk) 21:17, 9 March 2011 (UTC)

Oh unwritten policy, so it is your opinion you are trying to force on wikipedia. Please revert immediately. Passionless -Talk 21:19, 9 March 2011 (UTC)

Enforcing a policy, especially one which you have just admitted does not actually exist, is not a listed exception to WP:EDITWAR. Thought that might be worth mentioning here since the two of you have been edit warring over the tags. Don't know or care which of you might be right or wrong, anyone who edit wars is automatically in the wrong so this needs to stop right now. Beeblebrox (talk) 21:22, 9 March 2011 (UTC)

Obviously, that's why I asked Mbz1 to undue his last revert, the one in which she called me a vandal. Passionless -Talk 21:24, 9 March 2011 (UTC)

Please See here how admin removed the tag in the same situation.--Mbz1 (talk) 21:25, 9 March 2011 (UTC)

It seems like you and HJ Mitchell are in bed together so I do not see how that diff is relevant, and it may have been solved by the time the diff was made...Passionless -Talk 21:26, 9 March 2011 (UTC)