Talk:Bane in other media

Title

The title of this page is absurd. It should be called "Bane outside comics" or something like that. As a section title, it made sense but as an stand-alone article it does not. Mezigue (talk) 22:47, 12 October 2012 (UTC)

Oh really? Then explain the Joker in other media and Green Goblin in other media articles? 129.49.7.125 (talk) 18:49, 21 October 2012 (UTC)

The explanation is the same in all three cases! It's been spun-off from a section in the character's main article. Mezigue (talk) 12:28, 24 October 2012 (UTC)

Why are you attacking the Bane article? Those other articles have existed for YEARS. Osh33m (talk) 02:29, 31 October 2012 (UTC)

I am not "attacking the Bane article" - I am pointing out that its title is unhelpful, as are those of those other pages which I wasn't aware of. Mezigue (talk) 10:03, 31 October 2012 (UTC)

I disagree that they are not helpful. Those pages have been serving their purposes successfully for years. 129.49.7.125 (talk) 02:14, 8 November 2012 (UTC)

Bane's ambiguous birthplace in The Dark Knight Rises

Bane's place of birth is left ambiguous by time the story for The Dark Knight Rises ends. He was rumored to have been born in a Pit according to Alfred. It's definitively established that another character was born there, a character whose special qualities of being born in hell, forged from suffering, and hardened by pain gave the character the ability to escape. Bane did not ever escape, perhaps because he did not ever have these special qualities, it's not definitive one way or the other; it's used as a form of misdirection by the storytellers. There were at least two pre-release books before the film came out (with misdirection on some subjects), one writer said that said Bane was born in a prison, "Little is known about Bane. He was born in prison and trained in the darkest forms of deception by the League of Shadows" (from The Dark Knight Rises: The Secret Files Scrapbook), the other said his origin was mysterious, "Details surrounding Bane's origins are vague at best." (from The Dark Knight Manual: Tools, Weapons, Vehicles and Documents from the Batcave) Easyjusteasy (talk) 02:04, 14 December 2012 (UTC)

I agree, the only thing we know about Bane's birthplace is that it was a prison. He was NOT born in the Pit, this was entirely a misdirection and needs to be stopped from being put into the article. Tom Hardy even said one of the influences for Bane's voice was his comic book heritage, it would not make sense for him to do that if he was born in the Pit because NONE of the other inmates sounded like Bane. Easyjusteasy, you should revert the page asap. Osh33m (talk) 20:56, 14 December 2012 (UTC)

You and I (and hopefully others) understand this, but this one IP address 50.196.193.110 doesn't understand WP:SYN and WP:NOR. Such as "All interpretive claims, analyses, or synthetic claims about primary sources must be referenced to a secondary source, rather than to the original analysis of the primary-source material by Wikipedia editors," or "Do not combine material from multiple sources to reach or imply a conclusion not explicitly stated by any of the sources. If one reliable source says A, and another reliable source says B, do not join A and B together to imply a conclusion C that is not mentioned by either of the sources." Finding professional sources that dig into spoilers and analysis about the film's plot (most don't spoil) is important. Even the books I mentioned above are interested in misleading rather than giving a true, comprehensive look at the film's story. Easyjusteasy (talk) 14:22, 28 December 2012 (UTC)

Here's the current wall of shame of people making stuff up that is not in the references and/or deleting references - 1 2 3. Learn WP:OR, live it, and love it here on WP. Easyjusteasy (talk) 16:45, 2 January 2013 (UTC)

Nolan tells one big lie about the origin of Bane. That lie is designed to hide the film's biggest reveal, and we do eventually learn the truth about Bane. It seems fitting that in the one flashback where Nolan tells the full truth about Bane's identity, we finally catch that single glimpse of Tom Hardy's face."

You used this source talking about the scene in which Bane was revealed as Talia's protector to state misdirection by the film in the sentence after the one talking about his birthplace, making it look as if the misdirection was related to the birthplace. Your quote doesn't support the sneaky implication of your edit. I'm amazed by the number of people who think that because Talia was born in the Pit, that must mean that Bane wasn't. There's really no RS that even implies this notion. And Osh33m, heritage does not mean "birthplace". ArtistScientist (talk) 17:06, 2 January 2013 (UTC)

It's open to interpretation where Bane originated from in the film, unlike Talia. She definitely originated in the Pit. Bane is just subject to Alfred's rumors and Bruce repeating it while in the Pit (PRISONER: A child born in this hell. WAYNE: Bane... (CUT TO SHOT OF CHILD THAT IS LATER REVEALED TO NOT BE BANE)). This is misdirection. There's other examples. There's a load of "nonsense" added in those edits numbered above that does not appear in those sources. It's gotten into fan fiction territory to definitely state what is not said by sources or the film which is ambiguous. Easyjusteasy (talk) 17:56, 2 January 2013 (UTC)

I looked at those edits. They don't make anything up. They only show comprehension of the film. The edits of those like you, on the other hand, introduce notions that are not in your sources. You haven't addressed what I said about your weasel words making it look as if the source says anything about the birthplace. ArtistScientist (talk) 01:27, 3 January 2013 (UTC)

Snider's books (which are very small books intended for very young children, not exactly RS material) say nothing about Bane being born and raised in prison or the Pit. One of his two books says he was born in prison, his other book says his origin is vague. That's it. Any writing to the contrary is exaggeration or fabrication...one that's being sythesized with other stuff. Second, the film itself says Bane is rumored to be born and raised in the Pit according to Alfred. That was his supposed origin story. McWeeny compares it to the multiple-choice backstory that leaves the Joker's origin ambiguous. He says this whole "origin of Bane" business is just there to mask the reveal of the film. What was Bane's origin thought to be before the reveal? Oh, that he originated in the Pit. After all is said and done, where precisely Bane was born isn't addressed by the film, and it's not even important to the writers of said story by the end. Writing fan fiction is fine on some messageboard, but not in the article. Were there multiple pregnant women getting sent to the Pit to give birth at different times? Never addressed in the film's story. Easyjusteasy (talk) 03:03, 3 January 2013 (UTC)

ArtistScientist, you completely missed my point. Tom Hardy said one of the things that influenced the way Bane sounds is his Caribbean heritage. Well it would not make sense at all for Tom Hardy to incorporate this if his character was born in an Arab setting. The other inmates (the doctor and the one tending to Bruce) should have sounded exactly the same as Bane, or vice versa; Bane should have had a more Arab/Middle Eastern sounding soundtrack. THIS is what makes it clear that Bane's origin was at a place completely separate from the Pit. Easyjusteasy knows what he's talking about. Osh33m (talk) 03:22, 3 January 2013 (UTC)

Believe it or not, it's possible to have a Caribbean accent and be born in a non-Caribbean country (not that we even know where the Pit is). That's a very weak argument. And yes, Easyjusteasy, before the reveal he was thought to have been born in the Pit. This is not dispelled by the reveal in the film, and you know this. Talia being born there and Bane being born there aren't mutually exclusive. You are using logical fallacies to try to trick people. And don't accuse me of writing fan fiction when at one point you used a source to imply something that wasn't said. I have edited the paragraph so that the reader is not being mislead about the nature of the reveal. ArtistScientist (talk) 03:34, 3 January 2013 (UTC)

"Origin of Bane" means the starting point, as far back as implied to be divulged. "Escape" is not an origin. SMH at that edit. Easyjusteasy (talk) 14:57, 4 January 2013 (UTC)

And the birth of Bane is divulged? ArtistScientist (talk) 16:31, 4 January 2013 (UTC)

Bane was not born in the Pit. I'll have to really dissect this to make you all understand that all we know about Bane's origin is that he was born in a prison.

• In one of his attempts to escape the Pit, Bruce exclaims to another prisoner that he said a child did it. And the prisoner responds "not just any child. A child born in hell." So the prisoner is making it sound like a child who was born in the Pit had natural special abilities capable of escaping. Talia had that since she was the child being talked about during the entire film. However, if Bane was indeed born there as well, then as a child he should have had those natural special abilities as well, since would have been "a child born in hell."
• All the prisoners seemed to have a Middle Eastern accent. If Bane was born and raised there, he should have sounded like them as well. However, he has an accent of his own. Not only that, but Tom Hardy said that one of the influences for Bane's voice was his CARIBBEAN heritage, and this would not make sense if in the film, Bane was born in the Pit. With all this criteria in mind, it is safe to say Bane was not born in the Pit, but was born in a prison. 129.49.7.125 (talk) 22:33, 10 February 2013 (UTC)