Talk:Demographics of Hungary

Can anyone tell me the source of the demographic breakdown?

1. Total fertility rate: 1.25 children born/woman (2000 est.) [very low]
2. Decreasing life expectancy - "unhealthy" lifestyle [until recently]

--Adolar von Csobánka (Talk) 18:31, 24 February 2006 (UTC)

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László - where did your figure of 1% Jewish come from? According to the referenced census data there were 12,871 respondents professing the Jewish faith (approx 0.1%) Maybe 1% of the population is ethnically Jewish but that is a different matter to being religious. Still, if you'd like to expand on the issue in the article (and add further references) then feel free. Scott Moore 15:30, 3 August 2006 (UTC)

I just put back the number that had been there without checking any source because I thought it was removed by accident. You are right, the original sentence said "the country's Jews", so it was out of place. Thanks for catching my mistake. KissL 16:07, 3 August 2006 (UTC)

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Anyone object if I remove the graph which is clearly inaccurate (I presume it is a forecast made before the 2001 census results were published)? Scott Moore 15:19, 10 August 2006 (UTC)

Wrong data

The table reffering to the historical population of Hungary is totally inaccurate. The Hungarian ethnic group, as all avaluable records are withnessing, where a minority inside the teritorry of the actual Hungarian Republic, until the late 13th century. In Slovakia, Transsylvania, and other periferic areas, the Hungarian population was less than 10% until the Ottoman conquest of central Hungary, when the waves of refugees swelled the local Hungarian minorities. Even then, the Hungarians remained less than 25% of the population of Transsylvania, Slovakia, Ruthenia, and other periferic areas. The large proportion of Hungarian ethnic group inside the Carpatian Basin is a relative new element, since the 19th century, and is the result of the intense Magyarisation policies of the Hungarian Governments. Today, the Hungarian ethnic group is abb 34% of the population of the Carpathian Basin. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 81.196.150.157 (talk) 11:46, 13 April 2007 (UTC).

It's quite obvious it's wrong: it estimates the current Roma population to 0.1%, which is ridiculouly low. Every other source tells 2-6%. --80.99.1.94 (talk) 09:01, 11 July 2008 (UTC)

It's not an estimation, it is the data of the census of 1980. Of course, almost 30 years have passed since then, and (a) during Communism, minority populations were always underestimated, furthermore (b) the Roma population has significantly increased in the previous few decades. If you read further, the article tells that the present Roma population is c. 3%. According to censuses. I believe there is a bit more of them, though. --Cserlajos ^{(talk) (contribs)} 07:30, 17 July 2008 (UTC)

Map

How nice job, Baxter9 - it is very interesting how some Hungarian editors in Wikipedia are pushing even the most extreme Hungarian nationalistic POV in numerous articles and in the same time they claim that almost every opinion of non-Hungarian historians is "nationalistic, anti-Hungarian", etc, etc. It is clear that you removed my map simply because it does not fit into your own POV and your only described reason for such removal was your claim that historian whom I used as a source is a nationalist. This is a known Serbian historian and whether or not he is politically involved in some political movements that you can describe as nationalistic there is no proof that he would forge history and produce false maps. In fact, most of political parties and movements in Serbia are nationalistic (at least partially), so according to your claim, we should assume that most of the Serbian sources about any subject are false and lie, right? Well, gues what: nationalism is not same as lie and forgery and an nationalist could be very objective in interpretation of some things. In another words, I found this map in the book written by this historian, but works of other Srbian historians provide very similar data about early population in the Kingdom of Hungary, so it is clear that this is not a forgery created by one historian, but generally accepted view among Serbian historians. In fact, modern genetical researches did proved that modern Hungarians are genetically same as their first Slavic and Romanian neighbours and that therefore they cannot be descendants of old Hungarians that came to Cenral Europe in 896 AD and this is something that fully correspond with map that I included into article. Genetics is an exact scince and logical and open minded person cannot ignore these facts. Of course, it is very hard to find such person here and my free time is very limited, so it would be futile for me to be involved in revert war because of one map. Please believe in what ever you want to believe, it is your life, not mine... PANONIAN 22:23, 23 May 2009 (UTC)