Talk:Jay Jason

Please place new posts at the end of this text. Many thanks. I have tried to place them in order for readers to better understand the current issues being discussed.--Chinesegal009 (talk) 21:33, 24 March 2012 (UTC)

Very interesting. I like the jokes. Mark Perelman

Jaytribute516 said the categories have been changes to comply with more standard terms. Thanks for the feedback on this. --Jaytribute516 14:22, 25 January 2012 (UTC)

Jaytribute516 added: I have also added a few more links to the article, as suggested, including to Jewish humor, Jewish Comedians, List of humorists, list of comedians, and impersonators. Thanks for the suggestion, and also for the vote list at the top to keep.--Jaytribute516 15:03, 25 January 2012 (UTC)

Jaytribute516 added: I have tried to reformat the references so that the are more similar to other Wiki pages. As they say, always more work to do on getting this right. I might need some help with putting a picture back up for Jay, so I might need to ask a few questions to get this right. --Jaytribute516 18:37, 26 January 2012 (UTC)

Jaytribute516 took off the links to the three hotels. Hope this corrects the problem.--Jaytribute516 15:29, 3 February 2012 (UTC)

Jaytribute51 added references that provide a sample of examples of Jay Jason being cited in a variety of media sources. I am hoping this provides more references that have been requested by the editors.--Jaytribute516 16:39, 11 March 2012 (UTC)

I am Chinese and I watched Jay Jason's wiki page and the tapes on Youtube. Jay Jason is a great comic and Chinese people really enjoy his jokes. Thanks for putting this on the site. If I can help with references, I will try.--Chinesegal009 (talk) 20:46, 26 February 2012 (UTC)

I know of the era of the Catskills lively entertainment, and it is remarkable to capture one of its most beloved comedians of those times.--Daryl0005 (talk) 22:22, 3 March 2012 (UTC)

Jaytribute515 went to the wiki clean up site (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Cleanup) and did not see this article listed, so maybe the clean up has allowed this problem to be taken care of.--Jaytribute516 16:50, 4 March 2012 (UTC)

Nice work on wiki citations, and I made a few more organizational changes--Chinesegal009 (talk) 20:06, 18 March 2012 (UTC)

Since the original posting of Jay Jason in early Jan. 2012, the article has been improved with the help of 24 postings by Wiki helpers. There have been 13 different Wiki people who have contributed ideas, suggestions, new references, and made important editorial changes including the following: Vegaswikian1, Location, Lenin and McCarthy, Helpful Pixie Bot, MikeWazowski, Gene93K, GregoryB, Deryck Chan, Djassso, Alansohn, JL-Bot, Bearian, and Daryl005. I thank them all and in particular Deryck Chan who continually provided me ways to improve this listing. I also want to thank Alansohn, who added this important documentation which I had not been aware of: "My Favorite Jokes"], Parade (magazine) in The Modesto Bee. Alansohn concluded that “notability is established based on the sources provided; this is a perfect example of an individual who was well known in his day but for whom online sources are sparse”. --Jaytribute516 17:44, 19 March 2012 (UTC)

I have looked over the guidelines on conflict of interest, and I would like to mention that Jaytribute516 is Leonard Jason, the son of Jay Jason. So, clearly, I have posted material about my dad, who died over a decade ago. When I developed my first essay, I was rather new to Wiki, and learned through many suggestions for Wiki editors to support statements. I also was provided many sources of information from 14 different people, who all made some changes or suggestions. For example, as noted above, Alansohn, added: "My Favorite Jokes"], Parade (magazine) in The Modesto Bee. Alansohn also made me aware of the google news, and doing a search on that allowed me to provide references to many other statements such as Jay Jason performing in Australia and other places. Material on Kramer was sent to me by someone who had read the Wiki article, and I then added it, and the citation. Deryck Chan in particular worked with me to reformat the references so that they would be in accordance with Wiki guidelines, and he also helped me in reorganzing labels and sections throughout. I am very grateful for this editor's contributions. Chinesegal009 and Daryl005 helped the article with re-arranging sections so that they were more logical and flowed better. I thank them. I also had contacts with 4 librarians at different institutions that worked with me to provide documentation of different statements, and to them I am most thankful. So, although I put the initial article together, there have been over 10 different people who have added suggestions or references or ideas, and these are documented on the history page. I might add that at least 15 other people have provided me information over the past few months, and many of these people were not familiar with Wiki editing, so I took their ideas or references supplied and added them to the article. I hope that his does provide some account of my part in the composition of this article. I have also checked conflict of interest guidelines and provide them below so that others can be more familiar with them, as I certainly was not when I began this process--Jaytribute516 13:06, 21 March 2012 (UTC)

From Wiki guidelines that Jaytribute516 is citing for others to see:--Jaytribute516 13:06, 21 March 2012 (UTC) "There are no firm criteria to determine whether a conflict of interest exists, but there are warning signs. Adding material that appears to promote the interests or visibility of an article's author, its author's family members, employer, associates, or their business or personal interests, places the author in a conflict of interest. When editors write to promote their own interests, their contributions often show a characteristic lack of connection to anything the general reader might want to consult as a reference. If you do write an article on an area in which you are personally involved, be sure to write in a neutral tone and cite reliable, third-party, independent published sources, and beware of unintentional bias. Neutral point of view is one of Wikipedia's five pillars. If other editors suggest that your editing violates Wikipedia's standards, take that advice seriously and consider stepping back, reassessing your edits, and discussing your intentions with the community. In particular, consider whether you are editing tendentiously. Close relationships Friedrich Engels would have had difficulty editing the Karl Marx article, because he was a close friend, follower, and collaborator of Marx. Any situation in which strong relationships can develop may trigger a conflict of interest. Conflict of interest can be personal, religious, political, academic, financial, and legal. It is not determined by area, but is created by relationships that involve a high level of personal commitment to, involvement with, or dependence upon a person, subject, idea, tradition, or organization. Closeness to a subject does not mean you're incapable of being neutral, but it may incline you towards some bias. Be guided by the advice of other editors. If editors on a talk page suggest in good faith that you may have a conflict of interest, try to identify and minimize your biases, and consider withdrawing from editing the article. As a rule of thumb, the more involvement you have with a topic in real life, the more careful you should be with our core content policies—Wikipedia:Neutral point of view, Wikipedia:No original research, and Wikipedia:Verifiability—when editing in that area. The definition of "too close" in this context is governed by common sense. An article about a little-known band should preferably not be written by the band's manager or a band member's spouse, and a biography should preferably not be written by the subject's spouse, parent, or offspring. However, an expert on a given subject is welcome to contribute to articles on that subject, even if that editor is deeply committed to the subject. Conflict of interest is not a reason to delete an article, though other problems with the article arising from a conflict of interest may be valid criteria for deletion." — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jaytribute516 (talk • contribs) 13:06, 21 March 2012 (UTC)

One last issue that has been brought up has to do with this point, having a neutral point of view, and again I would like to quote from Wiki so that others who see this page can understand what this means: "Editing from a neutral point of view (NPOV) means representing fairly, proportionately, and as far as possible without bias, all significant views that have been published by reliable sources. All Wikipedia articles and other encyclopedic content must be written from a neutral point of view. NPOV is a fundamental principle of Wikipedia and of other Wikimedia projects. This policy is non-negotiable and all editors and articles must follow it. "Neutral point of view" is one of Wikipedia's three core content policies. The other two are "Verifiability" and "No original research". These three core policies jointly determine the type and quality of material that is acceptable in Wikipedia articles." — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jaytribute516 (talk • contribs) 13:13, 21 March 2012 (UTC)

The NPOV issue seems to be a red herring. Although the information may have been originally written by Jay Jason's son, this does not preclude an NPOV. It is a time honored literary tradition that children of famous writers and artists write books about them. In this case, the content had many editors and there are videos of clips from both the Catskills and from late night TV. How much more objective evidence is required? In any case, as a person of the "Dirty Dancing" generation, Jay Jason emulates the comic tradition of the Catskills. I remember being there. --Quarkpellino (talk) 14:11, 23 March 2012 (UTC)

I find this article as very useful on Wiki. I have seen some of Jay Jason's routines and I personally find this discussion to be very unbiased. I hope this opinion helps with the forward movement of this conversation. (User: Xaverp: 19:15, 23 March 2012 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.1.125.57 (talk)

This is a great article and very interesting historically. I really enjoyed learning about talented, but less famous, borscht-belt comics. Thanks for posting this! Ron Harvey Ronnie8In (talk) 19:20, 23 March 2012 (UTC)

This article is very informative and does not strike me as biased. The use of corroborative references appears as thorough as possible, considering the time and subject. Even though the author was close to the subject, the reference material and editors ensure an unbiased account. I consider this to be a useful entry and agree that it should be kept. NJ42 Nj42 (talk) 22:29, 23 March 2012 (UTC)

This article seems acurate and unbiased based on the numorous citations and material content. As a youtube comedian (chicagoalmose) I am happy to have discovered the Jay Jason Tribute comedy videos. Jay Jason was really funny and talented. Check out his youtube channel and you will LYAO! --Chicagoalmose (talk) 16:41, 24 March 2012 (UTC)

From what I have read of the "Jay Jason" Wiki piece and the discussion above, there seems to be an author who put the major pieces into this article, but a good number of others have done either editing or even contributed references to support what was written about Jay Jason. I do feel that the portrayal of his career and life is unbiased and fair.--Chinesegal009 (talk) 21:40, 24 March 2012 (UTC)

Over the years, I searched over and over on the internet looking for information on Jay Jason. He would come to Rochester, New York to perform at the old Chateau niteclub on Monroe Ave. and every Rochester Jew was there. Many times he would tell a joke in English until the punch line...in Yiddish...and I would utter..."huh...I don't get it". Jay’s dad Benny was hilarious laughing at all those jokes "he had never heard before". Jay knew of my interest in broadcasting & comedy & sent me comedy lines every so often...and some joke books from comedy writer Robert Orben which I used often when I worked on the air. Saw him once in Boston when he came to do a benefit here at a Temple. I met a retired booking agent in Florida who told me that he could keep Jay busy forever. So glad (and happy) that he is finally getting the recognition he deserves on Wiki. This account of his career sounds true and fair from what I know and from what I know that others have told me about Jay Jason over the years.--Rochester7956 (talk) 20:02, 25 March 2012 (UTC)

I am happy to read information on Wiki about Jay Jason because he is a rare icon, and I'm pleasantly surprised that much of what is on here echoes what others have told me about him over the years. Many of my Jewish friends of various ages have either heard of or seen Jay Jason perform. Thank you Wiki for honoring the memory of a man who is well known in both the Jewish and comedy communities. — Preceding unsigned comment added by The 13th Dude (talk • contribs) 01:10, 26 March 2012 (UTC)

After reading the material on this Jay Jason Wiki site, it is clear that he has a long and distinguished career in show business. There are multiple references and from the above discusson, many people feel as I do that the description is neutral, even though the primary author had a close relationship with Jay Jason. I thank you for the opportunity to provide my opinion. I have known of Jay Jason and his career in the Catskills for a long time.--Lrobinso1234 (talk) 14:38, 1 April 2012 (UTC)

I have read the Wiki page and have read the comments above. My feeling Jay Jason is a comic who is fairly represented in this article and it appears to be neutral. I think many people will enjoy reading this material.--Portugueselady134 (talk) 14:51, 7 April 2012 (UTC)

I agree with what others are saying on the Jay Jason Wiki page, as the material is accurate and not biased. Also, there have been a number of people who have helped on this piece, to give credibility to the material. People in Kenya enjoy this type of humor. Boniface Ndirangu — Preceding unsigned comment added by 197.237.24.240 (talk) 12:19, 8 April 2012 (UTC)

I am familiar with Jay Jason's long and distinguished career as a Catskills comedian and believe the information posted to be accurate and fair.--DaveG5265 (talk) 19:00, 13 April 2012 (UTC)

I don't know if you ever saw Bill Crystal's movie, MR. SATURDAY NIGHT. Crystal plays a Borscht Belt comedian who eventually finds his way to television fame. When I first say the film, it brought back memories of seeing Jay Jason perform in the Borscht Belt (Catskills). Unlike Mr. SATURDAY NIGHT, Jay had a long and successful career for far longer than just about any other comedian that I know of. I still have a letter from Jay, as back in the 1970s, I provided comedy on a daily radio program. I sent Jay a tape of some of my routines. He gave me some good advice, such as cutting back on my use of puns, and trying to find humor in everyday life. This Wiki page of Jay helps resurrect his notoreity to a whole new generation, and allows them to become familiar with his life and achievements. I very much appreciate the work that went into putting this page together and all the people that helped, including his son. As I knew Jay, I can attest that the material on this Wiki page is both accurate, unbiased and neutral.--RayGrosswirth25 (talk) 19:14, 14 April 2012 (UTC)