Talk:Jay Jason

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Please place new posts at the end of this text. Many thanks. I have tried to place them in order for readers to better understand the current issues being discussed.--Chinesegal009 (talk) 21:33, 24 March 2012 (UTC)

Very interesting. I like the jokes. Mark Perelman

I am Chinese and I watched Jay Jason's wiki page and the tapes on Youtube. Jay Jason is a great comic and Chinese people really enjoy his jokes. Thanks for putting this on the site. If I can help with references, I will try.--Chinesegal009 (talk) 20:46, 26 February 2012 (UTC)

I know of the era of the Catskills lively entertainment, and it is remarkable to capture one of its most beloved comedians of those times.--Daryl0005 (talk) 22:22, 3 March 2012 (UTC)

Nice work on wiki citations, and I made a few more organizational changes--Chinesegal009 (talk) 20:06, 18 March 2012 (UTC)

I have looked over the guidelines on conflict of interest, and I would like to mention that Jaytribute516 is Leonard Jason, the son of Jay Jason. So, clearly, I have posted material about my dad, who died over a decade ago. When I developed my first essay, I was rather new to Wiki, and learned through many suggestions for Wiki editors to support statements. I also was provided many sources of information from 14 different people, who all made some changes or suggestions. For example, as noted above, Alansohn, added: "My Favorite Jokes"], Parade (magazine) in The Modesto Bee. Alansohn also made me aware of the google news, and doing a search on that allowed me to provide references to many other statements such as Jay Jason performing in Australia and other places. Material on Kramer was sent to me by someone who had read the Wiki article, and I then added it, and the citation. Deryck Chan in particular worked with me to reformat the references so that they would be in accordance with Wiki guidelines, and he also helped me in reorganzing labels and sections throughout. I am very grateful for this editor's contributions. Chinesegal009 and Daryl005 helped the article with re-arranging sections so that they were more logical and flowed better. I thank them. I also had contacts with 4 librarians at different institutions that worked with me to provide documentation of different statements, and to them I am most thankful. So, although I put the initial article together, there have been over 10 different people who have added suggestions or references or ideas, and these are documented on the history page. I might add that at least 15 other people have provided me information over the past few months, and many of these people were not familiar with Wiki editing, so I took their ideas or references supplied and added them to the article. I hope that his does provide some account of my part in the composition of this article. I have also checked conflict of interest guidelines and provide them below so that others can be more familiar with them, as I certainly was not when I began this process--Jaytribute516 13:06, 21 March 2012 (UTC)

From Wiki guidelines that Jaytribute516 is citing for others to see:--Jaytribute516 13:06, 21 March 2012 (UTC) "There are no firm criteria to determine whether a conflict of interest exists, but there are warning signs. Adding material that appears to promote the interests or visibility of an article's author, its author's family members, employer, associates, or their business or personal interests, places the author in a conflict of interest. When editors write to promote their own interests, their contributions often show a characteristic lack of connection to anything the general reader might want to consult as a reference. If you do write an article on an area in which you are personally involved, be sure to write in a neutral tone and cite reliable, third-party, independent published sources, and beware of unintentional bias. Neutral point of view is one of Wikipedia's five pillars. If other editors suggest that your editing violates Wikipedia's standards, take that advice seriously and consider stepping back, reassessing your edits, and discussing your intentions with the community. In particular, consider whether you are editing tendentiously. Close relationships Friedrich Engels would have had difficulty editing the Karl Marx article, because he was a close friend, follower, and collaborator of Marx. Any situation in which strong relationships can develop may trigger a conflict of interest. Conflict of interest can be personal, religious, political, academic, financial, and legal. It is not determined by area, but is created by relationships that involve a high level of personal commitment to, involvement with, or dependence upon a person, subject, idea, tradition, or organization. Closeness to a subject does not mean you're incapable of being neutral, but it may incline you towards some bias. Be guided by the advice of other editors. If editors on a talk page suggest in good faith that you may have a conflict of interest, try to identify and minimize your biases, and consider withdrawing from editing the article. As a rule of thumb, the more involvement you have with a topic in real life, the more careful you should be with our core content policies—Wikipedia:Neutral point of view, Wikipedia:No original research, and Wikipedia:Verifiability—when editing in that area. The definition of "too close" in this context is governed by common sense. An article about a little-known band should preferably not be written by the band's manager or a band member's spouse, and a biography should preferably not be written by the subject's spouse, parent, or offspring. However, an expert on a given subject is welcome to contribute to articles on that subject, even if that editor is deeply committed to the subject. Conflict of interest is not a reason to delete an article, though other problems with the article arising from a conflict of interest may be valid criteria for deletion." — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jaytribute516 (talk • contribs) 13:06, 21 March 2012 (UTC)

One last issue that has been brought up has to do with this point, having a neutral point of view, and again I would like to quote from Wiki so that others who see this page can understand what this means: "Editing from a neutral point of view (NPOV) means representing fairly, proportionately, and as far as possible without bias, all significant views that have been published by reliable sources. All Wikipedia articles and other encyclopedic content must be written from a neutral point of view. NPOV is a fundamental principle of Wikipedia and of other Wikimedia projects. This policy is non-negotiable and all editors and articles must follow it. "Neutral point of view" is one of Wikipedia's three core content policies. The other two are "Verifiability" and "No original research". These three core policies jointly determine the type and quality of material that is acceptable in Wikipedia articles." Jaytribute516 13:13, 21 March 2012 (UTC)

The NPOV issue seems to be a red herring. Although the information may have been originally written by Jay Jason's son, this does not preclude an NPOV. It is a time honored literary tradition that children of famous writers and artists write books about them. In this case, the content had many editors and there are videos of clips from both the Catskills and from late night TV. How much more objective evidence is required? In any case, as a person of the "Dirty Dancing" generation, Jay Jason emulates the comic tradition of the Catskills. I remember being there. --Quarkpellino (talk) 14:11, 23 March 2012 (UTC)

I find this article as very useful on Wiki. I have seen some of Jay Jason's routines and I personally find this discussion to be very unbiased. I hope this opinion helps with the forward movement of this conversation. (User: Xaverp: 19:15, 23 March 2012 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.1.125.57 (talk)

This is a great article and very interesting historically. I really enjoyed learning about talented, but less famous, borscht-belt comics. Thanks for posting this! Ron Harvey Ronnie8In (talk) 19:20, 23 March 2012 (UTC)

This article is very informative and does not strike me as biased. The use of corroborative references appears as thorough as possible, considering the time and subject. Even though the author was close to the subject, the reference material and editors ensure an unbiased account. I consider this to be a useful entry and agree that it should be kept. NJ42 Nj42 (talk) 22:29, 23 March 2012 (UTC)

This article seems acurate and unbiased based on the numorous citations and material content. As a youtube comedian (chicagoalmose) I am happy to have discovered the Jay Jason Tribute comedy videos. Jay Jason was really funny and talented. Check out his youtube channel and you will LYAO! --Chicagoalmose (talk) 16:41, 24 March 2012 (UTC)

From what I have read of the "Jay Jason" Wiki piece and the discussion above, there seems to be an author who put the major pieces into this article, but a good number of others have done either editing or even contributed references to support what was written about Jay Jason. I do feel that the portrayal of his career and life is unbiased and fair.--Chinesegal009 (talk) 21:40, 24 March 2012 (UTC)

Over the years, I searched over and over on the internet looking for information on Jay Jason. He would come to Rochester, New York to perform at the old Chateau niteclub on Monroe Ave. and every Rochester Jew was there. Many times he would tell a joke in English until the punch line...in Yiddish...and I would utter..."huh...I don't get it". Jay’s dad Benny was hilarious laughing at all those jokes "he had never heard before". Jay knew of my interest in broadcasting & comedy & sent me comedy lines every so often...and some joke books from comedy writer Robert Orben which I used often when I worked on the air. Saw him once in Boston when he came to do a benefit here at a Temple. I met a retired booking agent in Florida who told me that he could keep Jay busy forever. So glad (and happy) that he is finally getting the recognition he deserves on Wiki. This account of his career sounds true and fair from what I know and from what I know that others have told me about Jay Jason over the years.--Rochester7956 (talk) 20:02, 25 March 2012 (UTC)

I am happy to read information on Wiki about Jay Jason because he is a rare icon, and I'm pleasantly surprised that much of what is on here echoes what others have told me about him over the years. Many of my Jewish friends of various ages have either heard of or seen Jay Jason perform. Thank you Wiki for honoring the memory of a man who is well known in both the Jewish and comedy communities. — Preceding unsigned comment added by The 13th Dude (talk • contribs) 01:10, 26 March 2012 (UTC)

After reading the material on this Jay Jason Wiki site, it is clear that he has a long and distinguished career in show business. There are multiple references and from the above discusson, many people feel as I do that the description is neutral, even though the primary author had a close relationship with Jay Jason. I thank you for the opportunity to provide my opinion. I have known of Jay Jason and his career in the Catskills for a long time.--Lrobinso1234 (talk) 14:38, 1 April 2012 (UTC)

I have read the Wiki page and have read the comments above. My feeling Jay Jason is a comic who is fairly represented in this article and it appears to be neutral. I think many people will enjoy reading this material.--Portugueselady134 (talk) 14:51, 7 April 2012 (UTC)

I agree with what others are saying on the Jay Jason Wiki page, as the material is accurate and not biased. Also, there have been a number of people who have helped on this piece, to give credibility to the material. People in Kenya enjoy this type of humor. Boniface Ndirangu — Preceding unsigned comment added by 197.237.24.240 (talk) 12:19, 8 April 2012 (UTC)

I am familiar with Jay Jason's long and distinguished career as a Catskills comedian and believe the information posted to be accurate and fair.--DaveG5265 (talk) 19:00, 13 April 2012 (UTC)

I don't know if you ever saw Bill Crystal's movie, MR. SATURDAY NIGHT. Crystal plays a Borscht Belt comedian who eventually finds his way to television fame. When I first say the film, it brought back memories of seeing Jay Jason perform in the Borscht Belt (Catskills). Unlike Mr. SATURDAY NIGHT, Jay had a long and successful career for far longer than just about any other comedian that I know of. I still have a letter from Jay, as back in the 1970s, I provided comedy on a daily radio program. I sent Jay a tape of some of my routines. He gave me some good advice, such as cutting back on my use of puns, and trying to find humor in everyday life. This Wiki page of Jay helps resurrect his notoreity to a whole new generation, and allows them to become familiar with his life and achievements. I very much appreciate the work that went into putting this page together and all the people that helped, including his son. As I knew Jay, I can attest that the material on this Wiki page is both accurate, unbiased and neutral.--RayGrosswirth25 (talk) 19:14, 14 April 2012 (UTC)

Jaytribute516 who is Lenny Jason thanks the many people who have commented on the issue of neutrality. I have cleaned up some of the older posts on this talk page that are now included in the actual article. I have asked several Wiki editors for their opinions on this issue, and will await for their help. I will try to reduce my future input on this article so that others can either contribute or edit. I very much appreciate all the feedback I have received on this piece over the past few months.--Jaytribute516 21:57, 17 April 2012 (UTC)

This is a good discussion and response from the Wiki community. I've learned a lot, and have tried to make a few changes to the page as well. Sounds like the consensus from above is the material is neutral and well supported.--Chinesegal009 (talk) 21:29, 22 April 2012 (UTC)

I think this article is neutral and factual an informative. Very interesting.--Rox22 (talk) 21:58, 24 April 2012 (UTC)

As a librarian, I have read the Jay Jason article and believe that it is neutral, unbiased, and factual. I have done some searching for sources as well and will add them. LS123 --Laurasklansky (talk) 15:54, 2 May 2012 (UTC)

I think the article is excellent and accurate. I agree with most of the above comments.--Akiva112 (talk) 22:25, 30 May 2012 (UTC)

I did some minor grammatical editing.--Akiva112 (talk) 19:41, 22 June 2012 (UTC)

I believe this article has an NPOV. The article is well referenced and unbiased.--Worldexplorer3000 (talk) 16:41, 21 July 2012 (UTC)

The material is not only well documented but has many authors; I do not see the conflict of interest. I just did a search on google books and found Jay Jason and Jay Jayson’s name associated with several books including Lisa Mulcahy (2006) “The Actor's Other Career Book: Using Your Chops to Survive and Thrive, where there is this piece about the real Kramer, who was what the Seinfeld character was based on: “Through a friend of mine, I ended up getting a job as a chauffeur for a comedian named Jay Jayson, who was very popular in the Catskills. I used to drive Jay to his gigs, and carry his wardrobe, and I started writing jokes for Jay. Jay is doing my jokes and they’re getting great laughs, and I realize, hey, I could do these jokes myself. So on November 7, 1971, I stepped on a stage for the first time as a comedian…” Will add the book citations to the piece.--Drk123456 (talk) 20:30, 19 August 2012 (UTC)

I agree that this Wiki page on Jay Jason does not have a conflict of interest, as there is much material and references that has been brought in by many people, such as noted in Drk123456’s recent post, involving Davis’s book “Jazz and its discontents.” I got a copy of this book where Jay Jason’s named is mentioned in this quote: "Comedians are like the jazz musicians of the Borscht Belt," continued Rudd, ... “The high priest of comics here—the most original and articulate—is Mal Z. Lawrence. Then there's Ralph Pope, Jay Jason, Lenny Rush, and Mickey Marvin. I don’t know if you ever heard of them, but they’re incredible. And they do improvise, within a set form. They work with a set number of variables—like a musician would with, say, twelve notes—and they shift the order of things according to how the audience is reacting. They usually start out the same and have a big thing they do at the end that brings it to a peak and lets then bow out gracefully. Like a final coda or cadenza. But in the middle, you never know where they’re going next. That’s the exciting part.” I knew of Jay Jason as he appeared many times in the Midwest at a number of nightclubs where I saw his excellent act, and I very much agree that he was a like a jazz musician when on stage.--SteveE8857 (talk) 20:16, 25 August 2012 (UTC)

I have read this wikipedia page. I had the opportunity to meet Jay Jason many years ago. I found the article accurate and interesting. I also note many reputable references. An excellent offering. To my estimation the article offers an "neutral point of view" with regards to the subject. --Jajo12345 (talk) 16:30, 23 September 2012 (UTC)

I just looked at the discussion above and once again think that almost all comments are supportive of the article not having any conflicts of interest. I also like the piece above that SteveE8857 found and think it would be good to add to the article. Will insert it.--Worldexplorer3000 (talk) 20:16, 12 January 2013 (UTC)

The article is objective and well referenced. Jay Jason does excellent impersonations.--Gingione (talk) 21:05, 17 February 2013 (UTC)

This is a well referenced article written with a neutral point of view. The content of this article is objective and on point. My research into Jay Jason and his life enable me to make this statement with confidence. Scallah1 (talk) 13:58, 7 April 2013 (UTC)scallah1

This article is not biased based on it being very well referenced--Gohmgault209 (talk) 22:10, 17 August 2013 (UTC)

Article is accurate and no reason to put the qualifier at the top of it.--20:41, 29 April 2016 (UTC)140.192.168.16 (talk)

I think that with the discussion above from numerous people, it is appropriate to have this heading taken down in from of the Jay Jason listing "A major contributor to this article appears to have a close connection with its subject. It may require cleanup to comply with Wikipedia's content policies, particularly neutral point of view. Please discuss further on the talk page. (March 2012) (Learn how and when to remove this template message)" Many people have entered into this discussion and they have commented that this piece has a neutral point of view, and there are many citations that have been added by many people over timeDaveG5265 (talk) 15:25, 27 November 2016 (UTC)

About 25 people have now commented on Jay Jason’s talk page, and they have expressed their opinions regarding the content of this entry, and their comments indicate that the listing is not biased, that the material is accurate, and that many people have contributed to writing the piece who are not related to Jay Jason. Numerous people have added content over the past few years, and this provides evidence that many people knew the comedian Jay Jason. In addition, there are now about 40 references documenting statements in this brief article. It is for these reasons that I have deleted the text box at the top of this entry that had read that “A major contributor to this article appears to have a close connection with its subject. It may require cleanup to comply with Wikipedia's content policies, particularly neutral point of view.” Markzinn (talk) 19:35, 6 December 2016 (UTC)