Talk:Jay Jason

Very interesting. I like the jokes. Mark Perelman

This was added by Jaytribute516: I have now provided the actual letter from one of his agents: https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-qJJUQmNjPSI/TxQyptkbaUE/AAAAAAAAAHQ/M1Bybr9Ejz0/s144-c/January162012.jpg “Your performance Wednesday evening at the Pinegrove Golf & Country Club was outstanding. You were the hit of the season…Once again thank you. You made me look very good.” --Jaytribute516 14:21, 20 January 2012 (UTC)

This was added by Jaytribute516: In a May 20, 1950 Columbus Star newspaper article by Herb Christopher titled: “Life just a gag to Jay Jason’s family; Jay’s the straight man.” The reporter mentions that “Jay Jason, the current Palm Garden Headliner…As a matter of fact, Jay, his pretty brunette wife, Lynn; Dianne and year-old Lennie, manage to settle down in most of the cities the comic works. Anything under four weeks as an engagement seems like a one-night-stand. One appearance ran into 70 weeks.” And later: “Because Jason becomes a community fixture he finds many calls for guest appearances, benefit performances. Local television guest shows also come all too easy, calling Jason from his own T-V and where he monitors many of the better comics. Little Dianne, who had not been much of a video fan, was converted the first time she saw ‘Daddy’ on the screen at home. When Lennie, too, is watching the screen but still finds most satisfaction in reaching for the volume control just when Berle is coming up with a punch line Jason had spilled some seconds before.” And later: “His wallop-packing entertainment is a matter of timing. Similarly, the varied activities, the full home life that Jason manages in a business that all too often has to put these things into the background, show his full use of his time. ‘There is no business like show business,’ Jason says. And to fit the Jason story, this rising star seems to have made some personal improvements, upon this exacting, self-sacrificing profession.” --Jaytribute516 14:21, 20 January 2012 (UTC)

Jaytribute516 tried to make it easier to read this article. In it, the reporter for the Comic's Comic provides a case that Jay Jason had both a long and distinguished career in the Catskills as well as other places. He was a full time comic for over 65 years, and was well known in his entertainer circles. The link that I have made available for the Editors to review is below: https://docs.google.com/open?id=0Bz4gyjhP7mm3ZGVlOTYxYjEtYzJlMC00ODkxLWE4YjEtZThlNTVhYmZhZmEy --Jaytribute516 13:52, 22 January 2012 (UTC)

Jaytribute516 said the following: Two other quick issues to note, and again, I appreciate this opportunity to provide additional documentation. I just did a search on google with the terms: "Jay Jason" catskill comedian and found over 1000 entries. Most were dealing with Jay Jason, but I can not attest to all of them as I did not go through them all.

Jaytribute516 said the categories have been changes to comply with more standard terms. Thanks for the feedback on this. --Jaytribute516 14:22, 25 January 2012 (UTC)

Jaytribute516 added: I have also added a few more links to the article, as suggested, including to Jewish humor, Jewish Comedians, List of humorists, list of comedians, and impersonators. Thanks for the suggestion, and also for the vote list at the top to keep.--Jaytribute516 15:03, 25 January 2012 (UTC)

Jaytribute516 added: I have tried to reformat the references so that the are more similar to other Wiki pages. As they say, always more work to do on getting this right. I might need some help with putting a picture back up for Jay, so I might need to ask a few questions to get this right. --Jaytribute516 18:37, 26 January 2012 (UTC)

Jaytribute51 added references that provide a sample of examples of Jay Jason being cited in a variety of media sources. I am hoping this provides more references that have been requested by the editors.--Jaytribute516 16:39, 11 March 2012 (UTC)

Jaytribute516 took off the links to the three hotels. Hope this corrects the problem.--Jaytribute516 15:29, 3 February 2012 (UTC)

Jaytribute516 put in an updated set of links to media reports of Jay Jason, to document parts of his career. Sorry for changing this several times over the past few days, but I thought it best to delete older links that had been changed as those links no longer work. theo following link does give an overview of media coverage in a number of newspapers and magazines over Jay Jason's career:https://docs.google.com/open?id=0Bz4gyjhP7mm3OTNkNDY0MTYtMWM2OC00OWJkLTk0YTYtYWE1NzUwNWMzZGU4--Jaytribute516 20:02, 20 February 2012 (UTC)

I am Chinese and I watched Jay Jason's wiki page and the tapes on Youtube. Jay Jason is a great comic and Chinese people really enjoy his jokes. Thanks for putting this on the site. If I can help with references, I will try.--Chinesegal009 (talk) 20:46, 26 February 2012 (UTC)

I know of the era of the Catskills lively entertainment, and it is remarkable to capture one of its most beloved comedians of those times.--Daryl0005 (talk) 22:22, 3 March 2012 (UTC)

Jaytribute515 went to the wiki clean up site (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Cleanup) and did not see this article listed, so maybe the clean up has allowed this problem to be taken care of.--Jaytribute516 16:50, 4 March 2012 (UTC)

Jaytribute516 continues to work on the references for this Jay Jason entry, and making some good progress on it. Am trying to get rid of old links that are no longer relevant to this talk page given the changes that has been done on the actual entry--Jaytribute516 12:54, 15 March 2012 (UTC)

Nice work on wiki citations, and I made a few more organizational changes--Chinesegal009 (talk) 20:06, 18 March 2012 (UTC)

Since the original posting of Jay Jason in early Jan. 2012, the article has been improved with the help of 24 postings by Wiki helpers. There have been 13 different Wiki people who have contributed ideas, suggestions, new references, and made important editorial changes including the following: Vegaswikian1, Location, Lenin and McCarthy, Helpful Pixie Bot, MikeWazowski, Gene93K, GregoryB, Deryck Chan, Djassso, Alansohn, JL-Bot, Bearian, and Daryl005. I thank them all and in particular Deryck Chan who continually provided me ways to improve this listing. I also want to thank Alansohn, who added this important documentation which I had not been aware of: "My Favorite Jokes"], Parade (magazine) in The Modesto Bee. Alansohn concluded that “notability is established based on the sources provided; this is a perfect example of an individual who was well known in his day but for whom online sources are sparse”. --Jaytribute516 17:44, 19 March 2012 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jaytribute516 (talk • contribs)

I have looked over the guidelines on conflict of interest, and I would like to mention that Jaytribute516 is Leonard Jason, the son of Jay Jason. So, clearly, I have posted material about my dad, who died over a decade ago. When I developed my first essay, I was rather new to Wiki, and learned through many suggestions for Wiki editors to support statements. I also was provided many sources of information from 14 different people, who all made some changes or suggestions. For example, as noted above, Alansohn, added: "My Favorite Jokes"], Parade (magazine) in The Modesto Bee. Alansohn also made me aware of the google news, and doing a search on that allowed me to provide references to many other statements such as Jay Jason performing in Australia and other places. Material on Kramer was sent to me by someone who had read the Wiki article, and I then added it, and the citation. Deryck Chan in particular worked with me to reformat the references so that they would be in accordance with Wiki guidelines, and he also helped me in reorganzing labels and sections throughout. I am very grateful for this editor's contributions. Chinesegal009 and Daryl005 helped the article with re-arranging sections so that they were more logical and flowed better. I thank them. I also had contacts with 4 librarians at different institutions that worked with me to provide documentation of different statements, and to them I am most thankful. So, although I put the initial article together, there have been over 10 different people who have added suggestions or references or ideas, and these are documented on the history page. I might add that at least 15 other people have provided me information over the past few months, and many of these people were not familiar with Wiki editing, so I took their ideas or references supplied and added them to the article. I hope that his does provide some account of my part in the composition of this article. I have also checked conflict of interest guidelines and provide them below so that others can be more familiar with them, as I certainly was not when I began this process--Jaytribute516 13:06, 21 March 2012 (UTC)

From Wiki guidelines that Jaytribute516 is citing for others to see:--Jaytribute516 13:06, 21 March 2012 (UTC) "There are no firm criteria to determine whether a conflict of interest exists, but there are warning signs. Adding material that appears to promote the interests or visibility of an article's author, its author's family members, employer, associates, or their business or personal interests, places the author in a conflict of interest. When editors write to promote their own interests, their contributions often show a characteristic lack of connection to anything the general reader might want to consult as a reference. If you do write an article on an area in which you are personally involved, be sure to write in a neutral tone and cite reliable, third-party, independent published sources, and beware of unintentional bias. Neutral point of view is one of Wikipedia's five pillars. If other editors suggest that your editing violates Wikipedia's standards, take that advice seriously and consider stepping back, reassessing your edits, and discussing your intentions with the community. In particular, consider whether you are editing tendentiously. Close relationships Friedrich Engels would have had difficulty editing the Karl Marx article, because he was a close friend, follower, and collaborator of Marx. Any situation in which strong relationships can develop may trigger a conflict of interest. Conflict of interest can be personal, religious, political, academic, financial, and legal. It is not determined by area, but is created by relationships that involve a high level of personal commitment to, involvement with, or dependence upon a person, subject, idea, tradition, or organization. Closeness to a subject does not mean you're incapable of being neutral, but it may incline you towards some bias. Be guided by the advice of other editors. If editors on a talk page suggest in good faith that you may have a conflict of interest, try to identify and minimize your biases, and consider withdrawing from editing the article. As a rule of thumb, the more involvement you have with a topic in real life, the more careful you should be with our core content policies—Wikipedia:Neutral point of view, Wikipedia:No original research, and Wikipedia:Verifiability—when editing in that area. The definition of "too close" in this context is governed by common sense. An article about a little-known band should preferably not be written by the band's manager or a band member's spouse, and a biography should preferably not be written by the subject's spouse, parent, or offspring. However, an expert on a given subject is welcome to contribute to articles on that subject, even if that editor is deeply committed to the subject. Conflict of interest is not a reason to delete an article, though other problems with the article arising from a conflict of interest may be valid criteria for deletion." — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jaytribute516 (talk • contribs) 13:06, 21 March 2012 (UTC)

One last issue that has been brought up has to do with this point, having a neutral point of view, and again I would like to quote from Wiki so that others who see this page can understand what this means--Jaytribute516 13:13, 21 March 2012 (UTC) "Editing from a neutral point of view (NPOV) means representing fairly, proportionately, and as far as possible without bias, all significant views that have been published by reliable sources. All Wikipedia articles and other encyclopedic content must be written from a neutral point of view. NPOV is a fundamental principle of Wikipedia and of other Wikimedia projects. This policy is non-negotiable and all editors and articles must follow it. "Neutral point of view" is one of Wikipedia's three core content policies. The other two are "Verifiability" and "No original research". These three core policies jointly determine the type and quality of material that is acceptable in Wikipedia articles."