Talk:Pyotr Chaadayev

Quote taken from book by David Satter?

(Subtitle added by Petri Krohn, 18:02, 25 August 2010 (UTC))

What was the reason for removing the quote? It was taken from book by Satter. If you think it was out of context, I might provide more context. Thank you. Biophys (talk) 15:13, 22 August 2010 (UTC)

You should have provided a source for the quote and the translation. However, using David Satter as a source would put your edits right at the center of the dispute in the WP:EEML and WP:ARBRB arbitration cases. (See for example the section titled "The Russian Apartment Bombings" in the David Satter article.) It would therefore be against the sanctions imposed on you in the later case, see Biophys topic banned.

If you wanted to edit this article, you should approach the subject from a different perspective, using different sources. Most likely those sources would also give you a different point-of-view. -- Petri Krohn (talk) 18:23, 25 August 2010 (UTC)

BS. Topic bans have nothing to do with what Biophys (or, for that matter, anybody else) may read. Topic bans concern Wikipedia editing. Using David Satter as a source is perfectly acceptable as long as Biophys' editing stays within the limits of his topic ban. Colchicum (talk) 19:49, 25 August 2010 (UTC)

Yes, I certainly agree. Petri, do you suggest to blacklist all authors who ever wrote anything about the Soviet Union? But in that case I did not even quote anything written by Satter. I only quoted his translation.Biophys (talk) 23:26, 27 August 2010 (UTC)

By using Satter as a source, or even reading him while reading him while editing Wikipedia, you are putting yourself right in the line-of-fire between this event and this death threat. Considering that the hand gun on the last page is pointed right at me, you can appreciate if I do not look too positively at your sources. -- Petri Krohn (talk) 00:57, 28 August 2010 (UTC)

P.S. – Now, in case you still did not understand, I will have to connect the dots:

David Satter → stars in movie (with Alexander Litvinenko and Anna Politkovskaya) by → Andrei Nekrasov → best friend of → Heidi Hautala ← secretary of ← Mikael Storsjö → main propagandist and "minister of information" of → Doku Umarov → aligned with → Osama bin Laden.

-- Petri Krohn (talk) 01:16, 28 August 2010 (UTC)

• The quote was taken from the 1st Philosophical Letter of Chaadayev [1]:

Но мы, можно сказать, некоторым образом — народ исключительный. Мы принадлежим к числу тех наций, которые как бы не входят в состав человечества, а существуют лишь для того, чтобы дать миру какой-нибудь важный урок.

As about translation, it may be taken from different sources or even translated by a wikipedian. If you want to provide an alternative translation, pleased do. The quote has nothing to do with Soviet Union, quite obviously.Biophys (talk) 18:50, 25 August 2010 (UTC)