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Move to Wollersheim Winery per WP:COMMONNAME. It was known as Kehl Winery from 1867 to 1899 (22 years but over 100 years ago). It has been known as Wollersheim Winery since 1972 (50 years) [1]. The NRHP name should redirect. Royalbroil 03:09, 26 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
The architecture and history of the place that was once called "Kehl Winery" might be considered notable, possibly (this is why it is on the National Register of Historic Places), but I do not see any indication that the company is notable. If this is an article on the place, I would tend to oppose the move, and if it is supposed to be on the company, evidence of significant coverage in reliable sources is needed here. Dekimasuよ! 04:45, 30 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you for that interesting take on this article and title, Dekimasu. You solved the seeming enigma as to how this article retained the historic name for so long after the name changed to the "WW". I suppose it could be said that the winery is still notable under any name, since whatever its name is, it remains a historic place. As you suggest, there is a need for reliable sources that support WW as the winery's common name. P.I. Ellsworth - ed.put'r there 23:40, 30 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
I added 2 RS - Wisconsin Historical Society and Milwaukee Journal Sentential. The newspaper is not local coverage. I don't see indication how the Kehl Winery itself was notable. It folded in the 1800s and the land returned to farming. The current owners have won national to international awards which are now cited in the article. Kehl just was the name that the Wollersheim family put on the NRHP application in the mid 1970s after owning the place for a few years. I content that article should use the current name of the facility, not necessarily be restricted to a historic name for the facility. Royalbroil 03:36, 1 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
I think you have changed the scope of the article, which has for years been in Category:Limestone buildings in the United States, not Category:Wineries of the United States. Note similarly that Hilgen and Wittenberg Woolen Mill, mentioned in this article as the location of Cedar Creek Winery, is an article on the historic mill and not the current businesses located there. Also, I think several of the anecdotes added verge on improper paraphrasing (the same could probably said of the Chicago Tribune article, which either relies on the Milwaukee Journal Sentinel article or shows that both of them rely on the same third source). Care should be taken to be sure that the article does not become promotional and is written at a proper level of detail. Dekimasuよ! 03:58, 3 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
The building and its current owner / occupant are typically tied together in a single article for almost every NRHP article that I've read (with rare exceptions). I don't think that there is enough content to split and a split would likely end up in a merge if brought up at AFD in my humble opinion. I have no vested interest in either topic and am not in conflict of interest. I have no interest in promoting the owner/winery, just giving a basic content at an encyclopedic level. If you feel like the added content is too close of paraphrasing (or even borderline), I encourage you to please edit / address it now! Royalbroil
