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If you're going to make serious accusations in your edit summaries like you did [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=History_of_the_Jews_in_Poland&diff=prev&oldid=884798049 here] then you need to justify them and provide evidence. Otherwise you're engaging in particularly nasty form of [[WP:NPA|personal attack]]. Yes, this is a warning, as your conduct is extremely disturbing.[[User:Volunteer Marek|Volunteer Marek]] ([[User talk:Volunteer Marek|talk]]) 06:38, 24 February 2019 (UTC)
If you're going to make serious accusations in your edit summaries like you did [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=History_of_the_Jews_in_Poland&diff=prev&oldid=884798049 here] then you need to justify them and provide evidence. Otherwise you're engaging in particularly nasty form of [[WP:NPA|personal attack]]. Yes, this is a warning, as your conduct is extremely disturbing.[[User:Volunteer Marek|Volunteer Marek]] ([[User talk:Volunteer Marek|talk]]) 06:38, 24 February 2019 (UTC)

== February 2019 ==
<div class="user-block" style="min-height: 40px">[[File:Stop x nuvola.svg|40px|left|alt=Stop icon]]<div style="margin-left:45px">You have been '''[[WP:Blocking policy|blocked]]''' '''[[Wikipedia:Blocking_policy#Indefinite_blocks|indefinitely]]''' from editing for Tendentious editing across multiple topic areas and time frames. </div><div style="margin-left:45px">If you think there are good reasons for being unblocked, please read the [[WP:Guide to appealing blocks|guide to appealing blocks]], then add the following text below the block notice on your talk page: <!-- Copy the text as it appears on your page, not as it appears in this edit area. Do not include the "tlx|" code. -->{{tlx|unblock|2=reason=''Your reason here &#126;&#126;&#126;&#126;''}}. &nbsp;[[User:TonyBallioni|TonyBallioni]] ([[User talk:TonyBallioni|talk]]) 07:07, 24 February 2019 (UTC)</div></div><!-- Template:uw-blockindef -->
*I’m about as sympathetic of an administrator as you will come across to fighting anti-semitism on this project, but the diff {{u|Volunteer Marek}} linked above is entirely unacceptable and only makes it more difficult to deal with actual anti-semitism and racism. Using that as an attack in a content dispute, combined with your block log and your exhibiting the exact same aggressive behaviours and focus on winning that led to your TBAN from the Arab-Israeli conflict have caused me to conclude that a topic ban in Eastern Europe would only shift the problem to other areas, and that because of this, the only option is an indefinite block. This is not an AE block, so if you want to appeal, just follow the directions above. [[User:TonyBallioni|TonyBallioni]] ([[User talk:TonyBallioni|talk]]) 07:23, 24 February 2019 (UTC)
*:: {{ping|TonyBallioni}} - this is shameful - a shameful episode for English Wikipedia that is now endorsing denial. Yaniv reverted content that denied the mass Polish pilfering of Jewish property. The content, beyond misusing primary sources, cited a book ''Klucze i Kasa'' whose conclusion is the opposite - as is clear in the original Polish and in this short English summary - {{tq|"The book, “Klucze i Kasa” (“Keys and Money”) details the ways in which Poles got rich off Jews who were murdered in the Holocaust – by plundering property that was left behind, charging exorbitant fees for hiding them, and so on. This may be another underlying reason for the Polish perception of Jews as a source of wealth – they literally enriched them. And paradoxically, their guilt feelings over this are being projected onto the Jews."}}.[https://www.haaretz.com/jewish/.premium-why-are-the-poles-amassing-jewish-figurines-1.5331736] Furthermore, the source of the content (paraphrased text but copy-paste of citations) is clearly a manuscript by Mark Paul - [http://kpk-toronto.org/wp-content/uploads/obrona_mark_paul_2013_tangled_web3.pdf this one] (previous wiki discussion - [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Rescue_of_Jews_by_Poles_during_the_Holocaust#RFC:_Inclusion_of_list_of_towns_and_villages_sourced_to_self-published_Mark_Paul,_and_placing_Mark_Paul's_documents_in_the_Bibliography here] - note closer's note on Tatzref). This is a questionable [[WP:SPS]] and Mark Paul is known for disseminating the myth of "the ungrateful Jew" - see [https://research-information.bristol.ac.uk/files/10934473/MichlicYadVashemStudiesDec.2011.pdf this academic source]. Yaniv's description of the content may have been overly frank, however the problem is with the content itself - not commentary thereof. That such [[WP:HOAX]] material - blatant and libelous misrepresentation of sources (and yes - this is a [[WP:BLP]] issue towards the miscited authors - Grabowski&Libionka) - is inserted onto the English Wikipedia is shameful, and that users get blocked for attempting to rectify this - is even more shameful.[[User:Icewhiz|Icewhiz]] ([[User talk:Icewhiz|talk]]) 07:30, 24 February 2019 (UTC)
*:::Yaniv got blocked because his behaviour makes clear he’s unable to work on a collaborative project. As his block log and the [[WP:AELOG/2018|AELOG]] show, he’s been given more chances than virtually any other editor I’ve encounteted. He’s free to appeal, but I’m not going to get into a back and forth if he hasn’t appealed yet. The options here were a complete Eastern Europe TBAN or an indef. I went through his recent contributions and found these: [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Antisemitism&diff=prev&oldid=883452585], [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=The_Protocols_of_the_Elders_of_Zion&diff=prev&oldid=882992442], [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Venezuela&diff=prev&oldid=881260411], [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Extermination_camp&diff=prev&oldid=881256725], [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Stop_the_War_Coalition&diff=prev&oldid=880107544]. That’s just looking at inappropriate edit summaries throughout the past month and without looking at representation of sources in disputes, etc. Calling the edits of other editors anti-Semitic when it’s not clear, threatening to report them for vandalizing when they aren’t, and similar behaviours contribute to a long-term pattern of [[WP:TE]], which is the reason for this block and made me realize a topic ban was unlikely to solve anything. He can have the views of the sourcing and presentation he has, but crying anti-Semite to win a dispute and silence opposition has no place here.{{pb}}Icewhiz, you know that if there’s racist or anti-Semitic nonsense I’ll block it as quick as I can and if appropriate use other tools to get rid of any trace of it, but editors using accusations of it as a tool to win a content dispute is simply not okay. Given his block log, this was really the only place to go. [[User:TonyBallioni|TonyBallioni]] ([[User talk:TonyBallioni|talk]]) 08:05, 24 February 2019 (UTC)
*:::: {{ping|TonyBallioni}} - So calling content (and Yaniv's comment was directed at the content) anti-semitic, is blockable. Inserting content (copy pasted from a highly questionable source - and that is clear - the citations are identical - they all appear in [https://stopacthr1226.org/wp-content/uploads/2018/01/Postwar-Property-Restitution-Mark-Paul.pdf this abridged version] - excerpts from Mark Paul on an advocacy site against HR 1226/JUST Act (See [https://www.nytimes.com/2018/11/26/arts/design/five-countries-slow-to-address-nazi-looted-art-us-expert-says.html NYT],[https://www.haaretz.com/us-news/.premium-trump-signs-law-to-recover-jewish-property-from-holocaust-1.6075141 Haaretz] for background) that is beyond questionable (and a BLP issues vs the mis-cited authors)- no action. There are other editors here who should have been blocked here. As it stands - the English Wikipedia would seem to accept such content, while blocking those who would call it out. [[User:Icewhiz|Icewhiz]] ([[User talk:Icewhiz|talk]]) 08:28, 24 February 2019 (UTC)
*:::: {{ping|K.e.coffman}} - could you please add your 2 cents here regarding this content and Mark Paul? [[User:Icewhiz|Icewhiz]] ([[User talk:Icewhiz|talk]]) 08:32, 24 February 2019 (UTC)
*:::::Calling content inserted by another editor who is not an anti-semitic troll “antisemitic vandalism” is a personal attack and a chilling tactic designed to stifle opposition, as documented above, and is [[Wikipedia:Tendentious_editing%23Wrongly_accusing_others_of_vandalism|textbook tendentious editing]]. The English Wikipedia in general, and this sysop in particular have no tolerance for racism in any form. I also have no tolerance for calling people anti-semitic vandals because you disagree on what a source says. I’ve explained my block and stand behind it. Yaniv is free to appeal and has instructions on how to do so. As I said above, I’m not getting into a back and forth here, especially without an unblock request. I will also not allow this block to be turned into an analysis of the sourcing that should have taken place on the article talk page: the issue here is one issue alone: Yaniv’s history of tendentious editing and inability to work in a collaborative environment. [[User:TonyBallioni|TonyBallioni]] ([[User talk:TonyBallioni|talk]]) 08:42, 24 February 2019 (UTC)
*:::::: An "analysis of the sourcing" is precisely what is required here in order to ascertain who is it fault here - if Yaniv is factually correct in his description of the edit, then he is at no fault. Mainstream Holocaust scholarship does not support what is being done in that article. [[User:Icewhiz|Icewhiz]] ([[User talk:Icewhiz|talk]]) 09:06, 24 February 2019 (UTC)
*:::::::Even if he is correct on the sourcing, this block would be justified for the reasons I’ve already stated. This is the last comment I will make on this without an unblock request. [[User:TonyBallioni|TonyBallioni]] ([[User talk:TonyBallioni|talk]]) 09:15, 24 February 2019 (UTC)

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Order of Hebrew months

I see that User:Debresser changes it back so it should be numbered from Nisan. I think you should come to a talk. Thanks and regards. --תנא קמא (talk) 13:32, 31 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Masterofthename Pattern of Edits

I'd like to bring your attention to User: Masterofthename and the user's pattern of anti semitic edits. I have cataloged edits below that show a pattern of antisemitism and a failure to follow Wikipedia guidelines:

1. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Purim: https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Purim&diff=828658054&oldid=828640712

- Masterofthename added a "Cristicism" section to a Jewish holiday page, a section which does not belong on a holiday page and which you reversed, citing: (Undid revision 828506680 by Masterofthename (talk) unreliable, antisemitic sources, not necessary for a religious festival) (undo | thank) Tag: Undo

2. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roger_Stone: https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Roger_Stone&diff=880166172&oldid=880148590

- Masterofthename added that Roger Stone is Jewish, an edit that was reverted since the article Masterofthename used was retracted.

3. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_Jews_in_Iran: https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=History_of_the_Jews_in_Iran&type=revision&diff=700910482&oldid=700418525

- Masterofthename added a photo of Adolf Hitler to the page

4. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orly_Azoulay

- Masterofthename created this page and included a Controversies section on page with trivial “sourced” information that has no business being on Wikipedia. Controversies section was disputed and eventually removed from page (see article history and Neutrality (talk | contribs)‎ . . (6,380 bytes) -519‎ . . ((1) not a reliable source; (2) her stepson's actions are not a "controversy" involving her (coat-rack much?) & (3) Wash Post article (which doesn't mention Azousay) says stepson was never charged or accused of "any of the more sinister acts of vandalism")

5. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sam_Mizrahi

- Masterofthename has had a pattern of making disruptive edits to the page and at one point was issued a vandalism warning (see Masterofthename's Talk page)

6. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reuter_concession

- Masterofthename created the page and on line 1 added: Reuter Concession was a contract signed between Baron Julius de Reuter (born Israel Beer Josaphat) a British-Jewish banker and businessman... Language of the page then had to be corrected by user, citing: Ginanahai (talk | contribs)‎ . . (2,398 bytes) -9‎ . . (Changed British-Jewish banker to British banker. We don't say British-Christian, or British-Catholic. The person's religion does not affect his nationality.)

Masterofthename has an agenda opposite from adding to Wikipedia in a neutral, unbiased way.

I would like your help in imposing an article ban (WP:ABAN, WP:PBAN) on his account on the pages listed above or a ban on pages associated with Judaism. Mepo233 (talk) 14:47, 1 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Horowitz

Defenders of lynching is not a joke. The article addresses it. deisenbe (talk) 13:08, 15 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Yeah, that's not what he said. Be careful with POV and BLP violations.--יניב הורון (Yaniv) (talk) 13:12, 15 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
User:Deisenbe, that's a very strong accusation to make regarding a living person. If you feel strongly enough regarding this, you should take it to WP:BLP/N first, before putting it into articles. Jayjg (talk) 18:38, 15 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Notice of Recent RfC Closure

username

hi there, can you please explain how to link your username as I have tried and been unable.Govindaharihari (talk) 21:54, 19 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

  • Finally found it, not easy, you should imo look at sorting that out - or I can raise it at usernames with concerns if you feel יניב הורון (Yaniv) - Govindaharihari (talk) 21:54, 19 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
    • (talk page stalker) There is nothing wrong with having a non-Latin username. We have a steward with an Arabic script username, and CUs on other projects with Hebrew, Japanese, Sanskrit, and Arabic script usernames. Because of SUL this is unavoidable and isn’t a bad thing. TonyBallioni (talk) 22:34, 19 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
      • ta.Yes I am happy with all non-Latin usernames it was just that I have never had such a job linking to a username. Govindaharihari (talk) 18:11, 20 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
        • (talk page stalker) Arabic and Hebrew are difficult as they are right to left - and many browsers suppport this and will flip direction when you mouse over, but it is usually possible to copy of you fiddle with it.Icewhiz (talk) 18:26, 20 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
          • Ta Ice. I'm using firefox and it was really hard, ta for the advice though. Govindaharihari (talk) 19:06, 20 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Offensive and false edit summaries

If you're going to make serious accusations in your edit summaries like you did here then you need to justify them and provide evidence. Otherwise you're engaging in particularly nasty form of personal attack. Yes, this is a warning, as your conduct is extremely disturbing.Volunteer Marek (talk) 06:38, 24 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

February 2019

Stop icon
You have been blocked indefinitely from editing for Tendentious editing across multiple topic areas and time frames.
If you think there are good reasons for being unblocked, please read the guide to appealing blocks, then add the following text below the block notice on your talk page: {{unblock|reason=Your reason here ~~~~}}.  TonyBallioni (talk) 07:07, 24 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • I’m about as sympathetic of an administrator as you will come across to fighting anti-semitism on this project, but the diff Volunteer Marek linked above is entirely unacceptable and only makes it more difficult to deal with actual anti-semitism and racism. Using that as an attack in a content dispute, combined with your block log and your exhibiting the exact same aggressive behaviours and focus on winning that led to your TBAN from the Arab-Israeli conflict have caused me to conclude that a topic ban in Eastern Europe would only shift the problem to other areas, and that because of this, the only option is an indefinite block. This is not an AE block, so if you want to appeal, just follow the directions above. TonyBallioni (talk) 07:23, 24 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
    @TonyBallioni: - this is shameful - a shameful episode for English Wikipedia that is now endorsing denial. Yaniv reverted content that denied the mass Polish pilfering of Jewish property. The content, beyond misusing primary sources, cited a book Klucze i Kasa whose conclusion is the opposite - as is clear in the original Polish and in this short English summary - "The book, “Klucze i Kasa” (“Keys and Money”) details the ways in which Poles got rich off Jews who were murdered in the Holocaust – by plundering property that was left behind, charging exorbitant fees for hiding them, and so on. This may be another underlying reason for the Polish perception of Jews as a source of wealth – they literally enriched them. And paradoxically, their guilt feelings over this are being projected onto the Jews.".[1] Furthermore, the source of the content (paraphrased text but copy-paste of citations) is clearly a manuscript by Mark Paul - this one (previous wiki discussion - here - note closer's note on Tatzref). This is a questionable WP:SPS and Mark Paul is known for disseminating the myth of "the ungrateful Jew" - see this academic source. Yaniv's description of the content may have been overly frank, however the problem is with the content itself - not commentary thereof. That such WP:HOAX material - blatant and libelous misrepresentation of sources (and yes - this is a WP:BLP issue towards the miscited authors - Grabowski&Libionka) - is inserted onto the English Wikipedia is shameful, and that users get blocked for attempting to rectify this - is even more shameful.Icewhiz (talk) 07:30, 24 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
    Yaniv got blocked because his behaviour makes clear he’s unable to work on a collaborative project. As his block log and the AELOG show, he’s been given more chances than virtually any other editor I’ve encounteted. He’s free to appeal, but I’m not going to get into a back and forth if he hasn’t appealed yet. The options here were a complete Eastern Europe TBAN or an indef. I went through his recent contributions and found these: [2], [3], [4], [5], [6]. That’s just looking at inappropriate edit summaries throughout the past month and without looking at representation of sources in disputes, etc. Calling the edits of other editors anti-Semitic when it’s not clear, threatening to report them for vandalizing when they aren’t, and similar behaviours contribute to a long-term pattern of WP:TE, which is the reason for this block and made me realize a topic ban was unlikely to solve anything. He can have the views of the sourcing and presentation he has, but crying anti-Semite to win a dispute and silence opposition has no place here.
    Icewhiz, you know that if there’s racist or anti-Semitic nonsense I’ll block it as quick as I can and if appropriate use other tools to get rid of any trace of it, but editors using accusations of it as a tool to win a content dispute is simply not okay. Given his block log, this was really the only place to go. TonyBallioni (talk) 08:05, 24 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
    @TonyBallioni: - So calling content (and Yaniv's comment was directed at the content) anti-semitic, is blockable. Inserting content (copy pasted from a highly questionable source - and that is clear - the citations are identical - they all appear in this abridged version - excerpts from Mark Paul on an advocacy site against HR 1226/JUST Act (See NYT,Haaretz for background) that is beyond questionable (and a BLP issues vs the mis-cited authors)- no action. There are other editors here who should have been blocked here. As it stands - the English Wikipedia would seem to accept such content, while blocking those who would call it out. Icewhiz (talk) 08:28, 24 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
    @K.e.coffman: - could you please add your 2 cents here regarding this content and Mark Paul? Icewhiz (talk) 08:32, 24 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
    Calling content inserted by another editor who is not an anti-semitic troll “antisemitic vandalism” is a personal attack and a chilling tactic designed to stifle opposition, as documented above, and is textbook tendentious editing. The English Wikipedia in general, and this sysop in particular have no tolerance for racism in any form. I also have no tolerance for calling people anti-semitic vandals because you disagree on what a source says. I’ve explained my block and stand behind it. Yaniv is free to appeal and has instructions on how to do so. As I said above, I’m not getting into a back and forth here, especially without an unblock request. I will also not allow this block to be turned into an analysis of the sourcing that should have taken place on the article talk page: the issue here is one issue alone: Yaniv’s history of tendentious editing and inability to work in a collaborative environment. TonyBallioni (talk) 08:42, 24 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
    An "analysis of the sourcing" is precisely what is required here in order to ascertain who is it fault here - if Yaniv is factually correct in his description of the edit, then he is at no fault. Mainstream Holocaust scholarship does not support what is being done in that article. Icewhiz (talk) 09:06, 24 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
    Even if he is correct on the sourcing, this block would be justified for the reasons I’ve already stated. This is the last comment I will make on this without an unblock request. TonyBallioni (talk) 09:15, 24 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]