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Vote on Wikipedia in Montenegrin

CrnaGora,

Thanks for letting me know about the vote for Montenegrin in Wikipedia. i believe that it will help wikipedia become a more multi-langual website if montenegrin is added. I think it's a good idea. I'm voting yes for Wikipedia na Crno Gorski

-Zastavafan76

Problems

So far the editing page part that you need to do in order to vote for some reason I can't do it on my comp. I'll figure it out soon, sorry for delay.

-Zastavafan76

Nevermind. I got it, I voted for the montenegrin. Hope our votes win.

-Zastavafan76

Now we can officially be branded as idiots in the Balkans, because of adding another wikipedia like that one. Big deal if it is a different dialect. There is already a Serbian wikipedia... A Croatian one, no problem... Then a Bosnian one... Even Serbo-Croatian. And to top it off, maybe a Montenegrin one? Why not have an American wikipedia, or a Canadian one... Or an Australian wikipedia. Think about it, "Zastavafan". Besides that, people in Montenegro even say they speak a language called "Serbian". (The majority). What does that tell you? -- Krytan talk 04:30, 11 June 2006 (UTC)

Kosovo/a

Thanks for contributing to the talk page. I do not misunderstand your intentions, and you are welcome to contribute further. And yes, it is headache-giving at times, and not the most pleasant environment to participate in, I know :). Best regards, ilir_pz 23:14, 9 June 2006 (UTC)

Monte-wiki

I'm sorry,m but I can't vote for it yet - I have to wait and see the forming of the Montenegrin language first. I hope that you understand. --HolyRomanEmperor 15:02, 10 June 2006 (UTC)

You're 12..

I won't believe anything else.:)) Cheers C-c-c-c 07:48, 11 June 2006 (UTC)

You don't understand..

so do I, the situation is that we do not have a Montenegrin language keyboard - how will we type zj, sj and dz - when they donot exist? I do not understand, how can we run a Montenegrin wikipedia, when we cannot type? --HolyRomanEmperor 10:37, 11 June 2006 (UTC)

That's the least of CrnaGora's problems:P C-c-c-c 00:03, 12 June 2006 (UTC)

Military history Collaboration of the Fortnight

You supported Battle of Amiens, which has been selected as the Military history WikiProject's new Collaboration of the Fortnight. Please help improve this article to featured article standards. Kirill Lokshin 16:19, 12 June 2006 (UTC)

Tivat Airport

Since you're member of WikiProject Airports and have edited Tivat Airport, perhaps you'd be interested to see the new photos I've added. Also, thanks for the notice on the vote for Montenegrin Wikipedia, I'll cast my vote ASAP. Meelosh 18:40, 12 June 2006 (UTC)

Aha!

I get you now - that idea didn't fall to me. However, I must withdraw - that will make us look desperate for a Montenegrin language. I do not want to look desperate. --HolyRomanEmperor 20:12, 12 June 2006 (UTC)

Biopharmaceutical is the Science Collaboration of the Week

You voted for and this article is now the current Science Collaboration of the Week! Please help to improve it to match the quality of an ideal Wikipedia science article.

Samsara (talk • contribs) 20:45, 12 June 2006 (UTC)

Serbia COTW

	The current Serbia Collaboration of the Week is incumbent
Every week, a Serbia-related article that is in need of substantial improvement is Selected to be the Serbia Collaboration of the Week. Help improve it to a higher standard of quality.

You voted for Kragujevac, and it is the article for the COTW. Regards, --Krytan talk 01:51, 13 June 2006 (UTC)

Montenegrin pretenders

Please stop putting regnal numbers to those who were pretenders and did not actually reign in the country. Regnal numbers to such are regarded as POV here. Ultimately, if you continue putting POV to articles, you will be blocked or even banned. ObRoy 03:15, 13 June 2006 (UTC)

If you are alleging that those numerals are parts of the names of these pretenders, it seems you are either ignorant, or dishonest. When checking sources (for example, published genealogies and biographies from Njegosjki Fundation), there are no signs that they have any sorts of numerals in their names. On the contrary, their names are there consistently and clearly without numerals. Added the fact that the numerals you repeatedly attempt to add, happen to be such regnal numbers those persons would have held, had they really, truly and in real life been ruling kings, indicates further what is behind your additions. Regard this as a warning against POV. And, if you happen to be adding regnal numbers to those articles, as seems to be happening, be warned also against dishonesty - do not try to misrepresent things. ObRoy 03:15, 15 June 2006 (UTC)

Pretenders are usually given ordinals (numbers) by their supporters to push their claim to be a real monarch. Wikipedia cannot accept the claim to use ordinals. Please do not insert them. They will be automatically deleted on sight every time. WP cannot editorialise through ordinals to declare a pretender to be a monarch. FearÉIREANN\^(caint) 19:58, 15 June 2006 (UTC)

WP:UE

Another thing: looking at your contribution history, it seems that you refuse to use English, and you change things others have done in English to Serbian variants. This is not English Wikipedia's policy. On the contrary, the policy here is to Use English. I request you to cease all doings where you change anything from English to Serbian. And a warning: if you actively work against English Wikipedia's policies, you will be blocked, and may even be banned. ObRoy 03:28, 13 June 2006 (UTC)

WP:SIG

Please change your signature to conform with policy. Rmv images and shorten it considerably please. - CrazyRussian talk/email 20:17, 15 June 2006 (UTC)

your question directed to me

I replied here. Thanks for your contribution. ilir_pz 11:24, 16 June 2006 (UTC)

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r u a pot face

Please help on William Shakespeare

Posted by Pruneau^T 01:05, 20 June 2006 (UTC) on behalf of the AID maintenance team.

vandalism

Hi. I have reverted User:CrnaGora and User:CrnaGora/Latin that were blanked by User:Pravi Gusinjez. --Scott Davis ^Talk 04:15, 20 June 2006 (UTC)

Polemical userboxes

Some of your userboxes are divisive and possibly inflammatory. They have nothing to do with the spirit of wikipedia. Please remove them. TheCooler

Wikipedia:Suspected sock puppets

Hello. Just a quick note to say that the case you opened, Wikipedia:Suspected sock puppets/Pravi Gusinjez, has been closed and complete. The user has been blocked. Please check the case to read more detail. Thanks. Iolakana|^(talk) 16:53, 21 June 2006 (UTC)

Contact the user about reseting his password. If he does, I will assume good faith and unblock him. Iolakana|^(talk) 14:55, 24 June 2006 (UTC)

Concerning the "you idiot" comment

You should make no personal attacks, and you should stay cool and civil. Please don't attack me personally. --70.79.13.144 04:21, 23 June 2006 (UTC)

Oh, and I noticed that you wrote that Montenegro got independence from Serbia. Thats wrong, Montenegro was not a part of Serbia, but rather the State Union of Serbia and Montenegro. Also, it sounds like Serbia was nice and gave you independence. Maybe you should change that sentence into something like "Montenegro separated from the State Union S&M and gained its independence"... It's your choice. --70.79.13.144 22:09, 23 June 2006 (UTC)

:-) --KOCOBO 18:05, 24 June 2006 (UTC)

Texan Collaboration of the month

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Texas needs your help!! The good news is the most recent Texan Collaboration of the Month - Juneteenth has recently been featured on the Main Page! The bad news is that we chose this article six months ago and we haven't kept up to date with choosing and improving a new article. This page is traditionally administered by Katefan0 and JCarriker, but since they are both semi-retired, Johntex is filling in. (Yet another reason to hope Katefan0 and JCarriker come back soon!!) We are going to pick up right where we left off. Please visit Texan Collaboration of the Month and help select the new collaboration - we'll begin working on the selected article 1 July 2006.

So sad...

...that Montenegrin wiki failed. By the end of this year, after new elections in Montenegro (at which Milo Djukanovic's League will face a defeat and less extreme circles win) and a new census, a new Constitution of Montenegro will be adopted, that may/will formalize the Montenegrin language. By then (hopefully), we will have a working cg wiki. :0) --HolyRomanEmperor 15:55, 25 June 2006 (UTC)

Please bear in mind that 35% of Montenegro's population are Serbs by nationality only out of protest in Milo's face. The most recent estimates show that it'll exceed 40% and that Serbs are going to become more numerious than other nationalities. You don't live in Montenegro, so you do not understand - Milo Djukanovich is greatly resented over here. He is to Montenegro what Slobodan Milosevic was to Yugoslavia. Remember when he said that he can't play Chess because he hates the Croatian Coat-of-Arms? Or the fact that he violently took power in 1989? Or that he betrayed his own "master" in 1998 Momir, seizing power all for himself? How about the turnover of Moslem refugees to the Bosnian Serbs in 1991-1997, spreading Serb propaganda (from his side) in Montenegro during the 1990s and open territorial claims against Croatian in 1991/1992? --HolyRomanEmperor 18:11, 25 June 2006 (UTC)

There is not a single faction - the Montenegrin people, state of Montenegro, the United Nations, Belgrade, the World scene, the Serbs, etc... that he didn't perfectly pay-out in Miloshevich style to further his own political goals. Not to mention that he's a sentenced criminal in Italy. Do you know that the moment when he steps to Italy, he will be arrested? Also, did you know that his position is the only thing that keeps him from Montenegro turning him over the the ICTY or any other International Court. Milo Djukanovich is a massive (Italian) maphia boss and a well-known smuggler, next to a War Criminal. He uses intense aims to further his personal goals - bribing, firing workers from positions, etc. Independence is one thing - but Milo Djukanovich is the de facto absolute ruler of Montenegro - if he wants a stone picked up or a man killed - his word is undisputable. I sympathize with his goals, not with him. The only reason why he wanted independence is so that he could more further formalize his dictatorial grip over Montenegro. I'm afraid that you do not realize that Montenegro will never be "free" as long as Milo Djukanovic and his minions are in charge of things.

The man is a sympathizer of Jevrem Brkovic - a crazed nationalist and Roman Catholic fanaticist that says that all Montenegrins and Albanians must all convert to Catholicism to saive their souls. You are partly both and are not a Catholic. How do you feel about all this? --HolyRomanEmperor 18:19, 25 June 2006 (UTC)

See Doclean Academy of Sciences and Arts. Like I said, those Montenegrins aren't "real Serbs", but they've just declared so because of the protest of Djukanovich's regime. Also, I'm quoting one of Milo's "minions", to call them: "My dream is a Montenegro in a union with Croatia and Albania, all purely Roman Catholic elemented". --HolyRomanEmperor 18:43, 25 June 2006 (UTC)

Ovdje, and elsewhere Milo justifies his territorial demands against Croatia and his hatred towards the Croat nation as being a responce to the Croat Neo-nazism.

Ti si stvarno...

Kako te nije sramota? KAKO TE NIJE SRAMOTA? Brišeš MOJ glas? Tvrdiš da sam napustio sve Wikipedije, iako sam ti napisao da sam napustio SAMO en wiki!!! Ti si stvarno bezobrazan i bio sam u pravu kad sam ti to prvi put rekao. Za mene nisi više ni brat ni prijatelj, za mene nisi više ništa. Daješ loše ime svim Crnogorcima i drago mi je da sebe smatraš i Albancem, budi Albanac, jer takvi Crnogorci nam ne trebaju. A ono što si se folirao da sam ti prijatelj je vrlo nizak udarac i nadam se da si svestan koliko si jedno odvratno stvorenje od čoveka, što si me naterao da pomislim da si dobar prijatelj, a onda me OVAKO zajebeš. Ne želim više da pričam sa tobom, a što se mene tiče, nemoj da se pojavljuješ na srpskoj Vikipediji. -- serbiana - talk 19:10, 25 June 2006 (UTC)

Continue

Milo seized power in Titograd in January of 1989 in a putsch, the so-called "Anti-Bureaucratic Revolution" organized by Slobodan Milosevic with Svetozar Marovic and Momir Bulatovic. Then, he renamed the City to Podgorica, transformed the One-party system into Three parties with his Party in control of everything - just continueing the one-party system in reality - and slowly transferred power from the Montenegrin Assembly (which opposed the Triumvirates dictatorshio in Montenegro) to his government, effectivly killing the last drops of freedom that Montenegro began to saw.

Please, read these Montenegrin news: Dan online.

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I know that Miloshevich had a lot of influence, but when Milo Djukanovich openly spits at the Croatian people, generally promotes Serbian natioanalism and resorts to crime (as you yourself admit that he does), I cannot ever trust him ever again. He then won a victory over Momir, turning against his own mentors, in an effort to seize more power (just as he raised Filip Vujanovic to be his successor - "student", just as he was Momir's and Slobodan's.

Just read the following - these things are one his worst doings:

• He's been involved in the circles of the Sicilian mafia, Camorra and Sacra corona unit criminal organizations - yielding a governmental loss of 700,000,000 dollar anual loss to governments and legal merchants. (see http://www.publicintegrity.org/report.aspx?aid=354&sid=100 The Center for Public Integrity]).

At the same source you will see that Milo Djukanovich openly contacted (most definately knows these people in person) the Naples' Camorra's Boss Ciro Mazzarella, as well as other prominent Italian mafia figures like Francesco Prudentino, Gerardo Cuomo, Filippo Messina, etc. In 1996 Italy's Anti-mafia Investigative Agency taped a telephone conversation between Cuomo and Santo Vantaggiato, a fugitive from Italian law hiding in Montenegro. The two men were discussing the election in Montenegro, and Cuomo boasted that he was close to senior Montenegrin politicians. He mentioned that if his "friends" got in, he would be "much stronger." Vantaggiato was murdered in Montenegro two years later (1998) in a mafia war.

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In July of 2003, the prosecutor's office in Naples named Đukanović as a linchpin in the illicit trade which used Montenegro as a transit point for smuggling millions of cigarettes across the Adriatic sea into Italy and into the hands of the Italian mafia for distribution across the EU. (see Guardian Unlimited).

I do not need to mention white slavery, assassination (most probably ordered by Djukanovich) of the Montenegrin leading opposition newspaper Day, or his partnership with Stanko Subotić Cane.

The Anti-Mafia Bureau requested a warrant for Milo's arrest numerious times, but it was denied by the Judge of Preliminary Inquiries in Naples because of his political immunity. See BBC: Montenegrin leader linked to mafia. La Repubblica said investigators had been told the Mr Djukanovic would not be protected by diplomatic immunity as Montenegro did not have diplomatic representation abroad. This is why he had to make Montenegro an independent state. He was under investigation, and is now as we speak charged for "crimes of the Mafia type" (see In Dec. 2004, Italy's Supreme Court Ruled: Jail Prime Minister Djukanovic. According to Italy and several other Wester factions, Milo Djukanovich has already been charged and there are hard evidence against him - it only remains to chain him in cages.

Sadly, the Naples Court of Review rulled in Djukanovich's facour - and explained that he indeed committed henious crimes, but was totally unawhare of them. However, the Court of Cassation finally sentenced Milo Djukanovich, and claimed that Montenegro is not a sovereign state - thus, Milo had no protection. This is Milo's necessity for a Montenegrin independence - to hide his hide. (See [1] and [2]. In 2005, the Italian Foreign Ministry finally announced that Milo Djukanovich will be arrested if he ever sets foot into the soil of Italy. The Court now demands the investigation to proceed and to arrest him immediatly, before he destroys any more evidence (as he is trying to do).

The referendum was successful (even there Milo had his fingers involved, buying votes, etc.) and he became politicly immune. One day after the referendum, Enrico Tuccillo, Milo's lawyer (who happens to be a lawyer of an Italian mafia boss as well) confirmed the status of Milo's neutrality in Montenegro: "The referendum has confirmed the premise of the Prime Minister, Milo Djukanovic, about the sovereignty of Montenegro: therefore no doubt can now remain about the immunity, granted to heads of state and of government, which Djukanovic enjoyed and enjoys."

Conclusion

I have placed all the valuable sources in front of Your eyes. One thing's sure - where Milo Djukanovich is - only autocracy and loads and loads of criminal awaits us. Hopefully there will be premature election because of the new status of Montenegro by the end of this year and he will suffer a crushing defeat. Then, his immunity will no longer protect him, so we could safely dispatch him to Naples forever to serve his sentence. Montenegro must get rid of the very last villain that terrorizes it... --HolyRomanEmperor 19:57, 25 June 2006 (UTC)

Blocked

You have been blocked from Serbian Wikipedia for personal attacks. You are no longer welcome, and consider it a community ban. As far as I'm concerned, you will never edit for Serbian Wikipedia for 2 reasons - you don't speak Serbian nor the Ijekavian dialect sometimes knows as Montenegrin, and you don't have good manners, and constantly attack other people based on their nationality. For your "I spit on Serbs" remark, I have to say that I was right about you all along, and you can disagree all you want. But you have helped me in eliminating you from Serbian Wikipedia, and the English one is next :-) Give me two months, and it's over. Enjoy your fun. -- serbiana - talk 03:09, 26 June 2006 (UTC)

Crna Goro

Sto je ovo? Sto se dogadja s tobom? Sto ti je??? --HolyRomanEmperor 13:50, 26 June 2006 (UTC)

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No matter - we shouldn't argue. Tell me, please, what's this: User:CrnaGora/Montenegrin_Books? --HolyRomanEmperor 15:22, 26 June 2006 (UTC)

Just so you know

Your lyrics pages are up for deletion at Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion and they're almost certain to be deleted for violating WP:L&P. I'm not involved in the nomination, I'm just a messenger. --M@rēino 21:13, 26 June 2006 (UTC)

mmmfm

I don't think you get it do you? Apology not accepted, stop contacting me. I would gladly remove your barnstar from my page, but I can't because it's protected. If and when it's unlocked, I will surely remove it. And once again, seriously, you have crossed the line when you called me "Serbian whore", because no matter how mad you are, people have limits, and you have crossed mine. No conflicts, just stay the hell away from me. Got it? -- serbiana - talk 00:55, 27 June 2006 (UTC)

Signature

Your signature is not according to the policy, because it contains images, see WP:SIG for more information. You have been asked to do this before [3]. Please change it to follow signature guidelines. Cpt. Morgan (Reinoutr) 07:51, 27 June 2006 (UTC)

Re: Montenegrin books

Well, the subject on relations between Montenegrins and Albanians - which the book deals - is rather interesting. However, I'm slightly astounished that you actually took those books in consideration because they generally treat Montenegrins as being Serbs living in Montenegro and the surrounding territories - and if I'm not mistaken, you do not consider yourself to be a Serb, but a rather full-scale Montenegrin... --HolyRomanEmperor 07:58, 27 June 2006 (UTC)

Signature warning

Signatures with images place an unnecessary burden on server resources and are not permitted. The link to Interiot's tool is also a weblink. These, too, are deprecated in signatures. Please change your signature or you may be blocked from editing. Just zis Guy you know? 20:02, 27 June 2006 (UTC)

• Thank you for removing the images. Just zis Guy you know? 09:10, 2 July 2006 (UTC)

I have to tell you that you now have possibly the ugliest signature on entire Wikipedia... I wish I were color blind... Duja 06:48, 29 June 2006 (UTC)

Re: what the...

Why on Earth would you ever want to stop posting messages on my talk page? I don't want to get between you and Boris - as I never want to take any side in paltry conflicts iike these - but Boris attacked me as well (I am still not sure of the reason). --HolyRomanEmperor 15:47, 28 June 2006 (UTC)

What do you think of the sources that I put you? They're all verifiable and international - we DON'T have major differences. How can opinion of one guy be...? :) --HolyRomanEmperor 14:57, 30 June 2006 (UTC)

Translation, please?

Hello,

Does [4]this link indicate that Montenegro has established diplomatic relations with Turkey? I do not know Serbian, so I would appreciate your assistance.

Thanks! Canadian Bobby

Hey, buddy

I just wanted to make sure - are we OK? --HolyRomanEmperor 10:37, 1 July 2006 (UTC)

"Yugoslavian"

Yeah, I said Yugoslavian b/c I didn't know which type they were and wanted to use a broader term. Thanks. - CrazyRussian talk/email 05:45, 2 July 2006 (UTC)

Re: Thanks!

Thank you for that barnstar - no, I hold nothing against you after I created that incident log (although I did create it due to your arguement with Boris). I'm planning on adding lots of other people there - admins through irc have told me that it's always a necessity to keep an incident log of some other users. However, if you consider it bad, I'll delete it at once - it was nothing personal, but proffessional. --HolyRomanEmperor 09:00, 2 July 2006 (UTC)

Hexagon1's RfA

G'day Hoopydink! How dare you vote against me? MY MUM SAYS I'M COOL! :) Nah, just kidding. I would like to thank you for participating in my RfA which unfortunately failed with 2 support and 14 against. You left some constructive criticism and I appreciate that very much. Since I can't post on the RfA directly, I would just like to clarify that the percentage Miro stated didn't refer to my user-space, but to user-space in general. That includes quite a few vandalism reverts and a status indicator I stopped using. If you need anything, or if you have any suggestions for improvement, feel free to contact me. See you around! +Hexagon1 ^(t) 09:25, 3 July 2006 (UTC)

Ill news

Greetings. I am HRE's cousin. I have a sad news to announce (as per his brother's wish) - my dear brother-by-aunt is no more in the world of the living... It pains me enough to write this - so I'm just going to point you to HRE's talk page http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:HolyRomanEmperor#As_per_Your_.28Our.29_brother.27s_request. --Sad News 21:14, 3 July 2006 (UTC)

A question

I'm confused...I joined Esperanza at the end of May (on the 31^st, I believe), but my vote was reverted even though I joined way before June 23. Could you explain this (and probably make me smack my head and say "DUH!")? —It's The Cliff! 23:50, 3 July 2006 (UTC)

You helped choose this week's WP:AID winner

- Davodd 05:40, 4 July 2006 (UTC)

List of airports in Serbia

Just wondering... Where did you get all that info on the new airports you have added? Regards, --Krytan talk 22:42, 4 July 2006 (UTC)

Texan Collaboration of the Month

Johntex\^talk 19:11, 5 July 2006 (UTC)

hey

sup steve just maken sure nobody starts anything with compliants or messing stuff on ya page kk. ttyl peace comment back :) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ja Volim tebe (talk • contribs) 11:16, 2006 July 5 (UTC)

If you do know User:Ja Volim tebe, I urge you to caution him about his actions. He has spent a lot of time decorating his user page and unfortunately, he has chosen a lot of userboxes that clearly don't apply to him, such as one claiming that he has over 3,000 edits, is a member of the counter-vandalism unit, and monitors recent changes. More troubling, rather than contributing to articles, he has vandalized Celal Bayar. Please help him to understand that this is not a game. Thank you , Johntex\^talk 13:36, 6 July 2006 (UTC)

signature transclusion

Please stop transcluding your signature in posts; this behavior is strongly against the signature guidelines because it induces server lag and makes you a target for vandalism attacks (if someone changes User:CrnaGora/Signature, all of your signatures will suddenly change). Please remember to change all of the currently transcluded instances as well (luckily there's not many, yet). And if you could further see fit to reduce your signature's complexity down from 5 lines of WikiCode and a larger-than-usual display of jumbled letters, I (and others, I expect) would be eternally grateful. Thanks! -- nae'blis _(talk) 21:24, 7 July 2006 (UTC)

Muslim Montenegrin?!?!

If you're partly Albanian, Muslim, the chances you have Montenegrin blood are really low. Montenegrins are Christian orthodox, the flag you worship has a Christian cross on it and is essentially a Christian symbol. You, my friend, are not Montenegrin and stop pretending that you are. Better to be a real Albanian than pretend to be something you're not, neither side will accept you. --KOCOBO 05:45, 8 July 2006 (UTC)