User talk:Dudu90

Diaa, please see these...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Changing_username#Supreme_Deliciousness_.E2.86.92_Supreme_Allah

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:EVula#Excuse_me_but

--Arab Cowboy (talk) 02:08, 20 July 2009 (UTC)

So whats going on?

you said 3 more days on the 13th.--Supreme Deliciousness (talk) 12:45, 20 July 2009 (UTC)

I just returned from vacation and was busy catching up with things. I did basically the works and will see what can be done to resolve the dispute.--Diaa abdelmoneim (talk) 13:46, 20 July 2009 (UTC)

What work? The text is the same you just rearranged it? didn't you agree that this: "Asmahan’s immigration to Egypt as a child of five years old was undisputedly the most important turning point in her life, for without it, she would have had no musical career and Arab music would have missed out on her talent entirely." Was guessing? And you have just created a whole section for it...And the part he implanted about her "never lived" in Suwayda which no source show.--Supreme Deliciousness (talk) 13:55, 20 July 2009 (UTC)

First of all I suggest you calm down. What I did was: I basically restructured to show what relates to each other and what each section is truly about. If u look at the history you'll see "Temporary section name", which means it's temporary and only showing the section's true content.--Diaa abdelmoneim (talk) 14:00, 20 July 2009 (UTC)

Will you do any content changes to the article?--Supreme Deliciousness (talk) 14:01, 20 July 2009 (UTC)

Yes, I need to review everything again, read the article, look for reffs. It's a lot of work Supreme...--Diaa abdelmoneim (talk) 14:04, 20 July 2009 (UTC) BTW, don't you have anything about her legacy or death?--Diaa abdelmoneim (talk) 14:05, 20 July 2009 (UTC)

no, I think its best that focus is put in what info we have now and the first sentence of the article, (fix this dispute I am so sick and tired of) before we expand the article further.--Supreme Deliciousness (talk) 14:16, 20 July 2009 (UTC)

.Diaa, I dont have time to answer right now, (will do it later) please wait until my replys on the asmahan talkpage before you carry out ACs requests.--Supreme Deliciousness (talk) 12:38, 21 July 2009 (UTC)

made responses on three locations, just in case, so you don't miss anything: http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk%3AAsmahan&diff=303404130&oldid=303395156 --Supreme Deliciousness (talk) 20:44, 21 July 2009 (UTC)

one of your edits, I feel it has to me reformulated one more time:

This is what you wrote: "Asmahan only remembered this period as happy and carefree childhood.[9] She spent most early years in the family's residences in Lebanon and Turkey and only been to the Jabal for visits."

Asmahans Secrets on page 36: "Asmahan told her friend and admirer al_taba`i about her childhood in the mountains of the Druze, She remembered a happy and carefree period. She did not actually spend much time in the Jabal itself and probably remembered visits in the early 1920s." later.. she saw it as her home "rather then her family's residences in Turkey and Beirut" http://books.google.se/books?id=Eca2pXOX-F8C&pg=PA37&lpg=PA37&dq=Adham+Khanjar+Incident&source=bl&ots=A8mYmpk5VC&sig=0AUqXfiPIaM7VndOFkIsJIcYnD8&hl=sv&ei=4spRStfPOKWKmwPQy6ioBQ&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=5

So that "She spent most early years in the family's residences in Lebanon and Turkey and only been to the Jabal for visits." is this really what the text says? --Supreme Deliciousness (talk) 22:21, 21 July 2009 (UTC)

I can't see the page. However, cut to the chase. What would u like the sentence to be?--Diaa abdelmoneim (talk) 22:27, 21 July 2009 (UTC)

Its here on page 36: http://books.google.se/books?id=Eca2pXOX-F8C&pg=PA37&lpg=PA37&dq=Adham+Khanjar+Incident&source=bl&ots=A8mYmpk5VC&sig=0AUqXfiPIaM7VndOFkIsJIcYnD8&hl=sv&ei=4spRStfPOKWKmwPQy6ioBQ&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=5

This is the direct quote: Asmahans Secrets on page 36: "In her late twenties, Asmahan told her friend and admirer al_taba`i about her childhood in the mountains of the Druze, She remembered a happy and carefree period. She did not actually spend much time in the Jabal itself and probably remembered visits in the early 1920s. Still, it was the Jabal Druze that had imprinted itself as "home" on her consciousness, rather then her family's residences in Turkey and Beirut"

Suggestion: "Later in life when Asmahan spoke about her childhood in Suweida, she remember it as a happy and carefree period, although she did not spend much time in the Jabal, it was what she saw as her "home" rather then Lebanon or Turkey"

you can ad more after this or rewrite it, please ad your own suggestion, but it shouldn't be exactly as the sources say for legal problems but still we must follow the source and shouldn't twist what the sources are saying.--Supreme Deliciousness (talk) 22:40, 21 July 2009 (UTC)

Diaa, I am not sure why this private discussion is going on here when it is supposed to be on the article's Talk page. I am not going to spend too much time trying to interpret SD's gibberish writing style. The article as it stands now is not in accordance with the discussions on the Talk page. There's still reference to "homeland", which I will remove or seriously challenge in the article. Also, the first statement in the lead now contains redundant reference to Syrian roots. I'll be busy with other matters for a couple of days. I will leave it in your hands to abide by the discussions in the Talk page - you seem to have overlooked a couple of paragraphs I addressed to you there. --Arab Cowboy (talk) 23:23, 21 July 2009 (UTC)

Diaa, I have just returned and I am surprised by all the unjustified edits that have taken place that seem contrary to the "agreed text" on the Talk page, especially in the lead. You seem to have given in to almost all of SD's unrealistic demands, with "done, done, done...". I have not been able to fill-in my suggestions due my absence, why create a section for Annyong and not Nefer Tweety, the fourth party to the discussion? I am prepared to start editing the article, but I do not want to start another edit war. I had placed a few questions for you on the Talk page which you seem to have overlooked! Would you like to start another round of discussion or shall I go ahead and edit the article? --Arab Cowboy (talk) 03:51, 25 July 2009 (UTC)

Below are a few paragraphs from the Talk page that you may have missed: "Diaa, thanks for your work on the article. For the purpose of academic integrity, we cannot attribute the "Asmahan’s immigration to Egypt as a child of five years old was undisputedly the most important turning point in her life, for without it, she would have had no musical career and Arab music would have missed out on her talent entirely." statement to Sherifa Zuhur. I had composed this introductory statement to the paragraph, and the facts in the paragraph, clearly and without exception, converge back to it. I am not in favor of starting paragraphs with a plunge into a series of facts with no common thought. I see that many of the sections in the article now need similar introductory statements. Just an element of style. Cheers, --Arab Cowboy (talk) 23:50, 20 July 2009 (UTC)

"Diaa, are we going to keep the reference to Asmahan's "homeland," be it Syrian or Egyptian? I thought we had agreed to refrain from using this word. If so, I will have to expand on this issue. Also, I find the Identity section is a bit strange. I am not sure that it is necessary; I do not see other biographies having a similar section. However, if you would like to keep it, I will have a lot to say there too. We also need to bring the Voice Characteristics section back; it just needs a lot of work. I can work on it gradually cause my time is limited.

"I thought my question was addressed to Diaa, not SD. SD has stated the above gibberish over and over again. I am not interested in replying to it unless Diaa states that "homeland" is "on the table". --Arab Cowboy (talk) 20:45, 21 July 2009 (UTC)

"Diaa, I will not object to your choice of a Syrian-Egyptian label, on the grounds of citizenship only, and not chosen identity. The rest of that sentence will have to be omitted. On these grounds, reference to her mother will have to come later in the body of the article. On the basis of chosen or actual identity, my originally proposed sentence should stand. Just a correction, sources have shown that she did not live her early life in Swaida and her father was not the governer of Swaida. See Zuhur, p. 36. --Arab Cowboy (talk) 22:06, 21 July 2009 (UTC)

"I am not sure what is unclear abour Zuhur's statement: "She did not actually spend much time in the Jabal itself and probably remembered visits in the early 1920s." This clearly means that not only did she not live there, but she did not even spend much time there at all! She only went there for "visits". Yes, they had a house in Swaida, that 'Alia stated was not her house, but her husband's, as they did in Lebanon and Turkey, where they actually lived in the early years of Asmahan's life. P. 38: "Alia never felt comfortable in the Jabal." P. 39: "...the Jabal, which was not her home, but her husband's." How is this not clear? Or, are we reinventing the wheel and the English language? --Arab Cowboy (talk) 22:29, 21 July 2009 (UTC), etc..."

Sorry for cluttering your Talk page; please feel free to "clean-up" after responding to the above on Asmahan's talk page. --Arab Cowboy (talk) 04:22, 25 July 2009 (UTC)

Abdel Nasser

Just to notify you, I have begun work on Gamal Abdel Nasser. So far I've been concentrating on his Military career and the Free Officers (I wrote up the Birth and childhood section a while back). Might need some insight on how to go on with the "Revolution" section. I think about half of that section should be rewritten and expanded on. Which books do you have? --Al Ameer son (talk) 19:15, 20 July 2009 (UTC)

It's all good. I have Asmahan on my watchlist and I completely understand the situation you are dealing with is frustrating. Since it's obvious you're mediating between the two users, Asmahan will require your full focus, which unfortunately will take you away from other subjects. I'm going to continue work on Nasser and will be waiting for you. Good luck and salaamat! --Al Ameer son (talk) 22:35, 22 July 2009 (UTC)

Re:Gamal Salem DYK

Yup, I just checked it out on a test page, it's 300 KB over the needed 1,500 KB in solid text only. Thanks for expanding it. Go ahead and nominate it. There will be more Free Officer articles to come... Cheers! --Al Ameer son (talk) 23:08, 24 July 2009 (UTC)

Asmahan

Don't know if you saw, but the fun is starting up again. I'm really starting to grow tired of this... — HelloAnnyong ^{(say whaaat?!)} 05:22, 25 July 2009 (UTC)

The text that has just been removed by Annyong was backed up by Asmahan's Secrets, p.85, according to NT's input. The secondary source, what SD and Annyong call a blogspot, is actually a (at least) 4-volume book that is shown online in what seems to be a blog, but the original source is a not a blog. Annyong removed properly referenced text and he is hereby asked to please reinstate it. --Arab Cowboy (talk) 05:50, 25 July 2009 (UTC)

Spotlight needs suggestions

Cubs197 (talk) 19:02, 25 July 2009 (UTC)

Farid

Diaa, Arab Cowboy keeps reverting the Farid article with info that has already agreed upon at the Asmahan article and are uncontroversial, like adding death and birth in lead and correcting the word "Suwayda". Also notice that one of the IPs have never edited before at wikipedia. http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Farid_al-Atrash&action=history --Supreme Deliciousness (talk) 23:13, 25 July 2009 (UTC)

FYI

Diaa, please see this.

Salam, --Arab Cowboy (talk) 14:31, 26 July 2009 (UTC)

Diaa, AC did massive changes to the article, many of them had nothing to do with the sections he added sources to and has not been agreed upon at the talkpage, this behavior is anarchism and is not acceptable, he also rewrote the lead without talking at the talkpage. I also ask that you check up the sources he added because I can not have any good faith in him, one of the things he added was "Asmahan was buried in her family’s burial plot in Egypt" .. another source he added also says she was born in 1912. --Supreme Deliciousness (talk) 18:33, 26 July 2009 (UTC)

As for the burial plot, you have been shown this before, on the Talk pages of both Asmahan and Farid. The article says: "Three great Egyptian singers of the twentieth century restored the site to some of its former glory by choosing to make it their last resting place: Farid al-Atrash and his sister Asmahan, as well as Abd al-Halim Hafiz." Your ignorance of a matter does not make it illegitimate. --Arab Cowboy (talk) 23:17, 26 July 2009 (UTC)

what does that have to do with that you added "family’s burial plot" ? --Supreme Deliciousness (talk) 12:13, 27 July 2009 (UTC)

Awesome!

Thank you for finding and uploading that image for Loyalist Teaching! It looks excellent. I thought I was not going to be able to find an image for the new article, but it looks like you beat me to it! Lol. Cheers.--Pericles of Athens^Talk 23:38, 26 July 2009 (UTC)

Diaa you have to stop this

Arab Cowboy has changed the whole article without asking at the talkpage before, this is destroying all the work we have done before at the talkpage. This is not acceptable! You have to take it back to how it was before he started this! --Supreme Deliciousness (talk) 05:51, 27 July 2009 (UTC)

Diaa, I hope you haven't given up. Your help is greatly needed. Please come back and continue the mediation from where it left of. Only you can save the article. If you will not, then please let me know. --Supreme Deliciousness (talk) 07:27, 28 July 2009 (UTC)

please answer my request here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Asmahan#On_topic_posts_only --Supreme Deliciousness (talk) 18:46, 28 July 2009 (UTC)

I made two posts here: http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk%3AAsmahan&diff=304960044&oldid=304958552 --Supreme Deliciousness (talk) 21:44, 29 July 2009 (UTC)

sorry I did something wrong there.--Supreme Deliciousness (talk) 22:17, 29 July 2009 (UTC)

Claims by AC that I freely edited the article 4 times is complete false: http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk%3AAsmahan&diff=304963691&oldid=304962584 he keeps repeating this over and over at the talkpage.. anyway I think I am done with all edits now.--Supreme Deliciousness (talk) 22:44, 29 July 2009 (UTC)

Diaa, yesterday, after you specifically told AC "Do the same trick with suggestions again and I'll reply to you first this time" He started editing the article freely, including changing a sentence so it will be exactly the same as the book which is a copyright violation, adding citation quotes on areas where the text has sources, and adding texts without going through the mediation process.: http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Asmahan&diff=304985474&oldid=304972152 Is it time to take this to an administrator? --Supreme Deliciousness (talk) 07:29, 30 July 2009 (UTC)

I'm not sure an administrator would use his powers in such a case. Anyway I left the discussion and the mediation. I tried hard to settle this but couldn't. I hope some day the two of you get along.--Diaa abdelmoneim (talk) 07:55, 30 July 2009 (UTC)

Is there somewhere I can file a complaint against Arab Cowboy for his actions? Going against mediation process. --Supreme Deliciousness (talk) 08:01, 30 July 2009 (UTC)

Pictures

Marhaba Diaa, do you know of any online place I could get pictures of some of the Free Officers? In particular, Gamal Salem, Abdel Latif Boghdadi, and Khaled Mohieddine. Of course they would have to be old (1930s-1960s). Al-Ahram seems to have been disabled, probably temporarily because of technical problems. --Al Ameer son (talk) 07:13, 29 July 2009 (UTC)

There is modernegypt.bibalex.org and nasser.bibalex.org but both are in Arabic. I'll see if I can find some. BTW, did u nominate for DYK?--Diaa abdelmoneim (talk) 14:17, 29 July 2009 (UTC)

Will do now. By the way is the guy (not Nasser) next to Naguib in this picture Salah Salem File:Muhammad Naguib1.jpg?