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Quotes in footnotes

The discussion has moved here on quotes in footnotes. Can you join it with any comments you may have. --Richard Arthur Norton (1958- ) (talk) 18:23, 2 July 2008 (UTC)

Jerusalem FAR

Jerusalem has been nominated for a featured article review. Articles are typically reviewed for two weeks. Please leave your comments and help us to return the article to featured quality. If concerns are not addressed during the review period, articles are moved onto the Featured Article Removal Candidates list for a further period, where editors may declare "Keep" or "Remove" the article from featured status. The instructions for the review process are here. Reviewers' concerns are here. <eleland/talkedits> 21:50, 2 July 2008 (UTC)

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I have no opinion on the content at The Holocaust Industry, but the atmosphere at the talkpage is not helpful. Please try to keep future comments focused on the article only, and not the editors. Thanks, El on ka 04:17, 4 July 2008 (UTC)

User:Jayjg and User:Blackworm editwarring on circumcision

I was going to post this on AN/I, with the title above, but I got an edit conflict. I then noticed that it says on AN/I that notices of edit-warring should go to 3RR Noticeboard. I looked at that, but they say it's only for violations of WP:3RR. Our dispute doesn't qualify for that either, so I'll post what I was going to post on AN/I here. I realize this might cause editors who like you and respect you to be drawn to the dispute, but then, I'm willing to take that chance in the interest of avoiding a "real" editwar. Here is what I was going to post:

I'm requesting help looking into this issue. User:Jayjg does not have consensus for the recent inclusion of his latest edit to circumcision (which I have left in his desired state), as I believe is evident here. Could an admin please take action and edit the article as policy dictates. I'm tired of doing it. I've made a good-faith effort to make my points, and I'm feeling that Jayjg is not addressing them, or those of other editors, adequately. Please read the discussion. Thanks. Blackworm (talk) 06:44, 4 July 2008 (UTC)

[End of post.] Since I didn't actually leave it in impartial admin's hands on AN/I, I reserve the right to revert your latest change. I hope I won't have to, and that you'll self-revert. Blackworm (talk) 06:44, 4 July 2008 (UTC)

Lapsed Pacifist

I'd noticed the green line push, it is definatly a POV push at this point, when multiple editors over multiple articles are telling him why it is wrong yet he persists. Arn't there ArbCom restrictions designed to stop this stuff on the mid east articles? Narson (talk) 08:07, 4 July 2008 (UTC)

Your deletion of Global apartheid

It's under discussion here. Having reviewed the article, I don't see any valid speedy deletion rationale. Is it possible that you erred there? Sarcasticidealist (talk) 06:40, 8 July 2008 (UTC)

Your friend Rezistena is on ANI

This ANI thread involves a checkuser case you were a part of. Your insight would be appreciated. weburiedoursecretsinthegarden 13:40, 8 July 2008 (UTC)

Re

ok don't worry you're are not the one to blame Rezistenta (talk) 21:40, 8 July 2008 (UTC)

Re: Editor's barnstar

Thanks for the barnstar; I've added it to my userpage. However, it might have come too soon. I don't plan on spending a large amount of time trying to fix the issues with the article. I, to put it simply, do not have the time to spend fixing the (legitimate) problems with the article within the short period the FAR process allows. Further, I certainly don't have the energy to argue with people who want every point about the Israeli-Palestinian conflict included. I would, ideally, like to see the FAR tabled for a bit because many of the issues -- almost everything except for those surrounding the introduction -- are being raised for the first time. But, it doesn't matter; if the article loses FA status, the issues can be addressed then and then brought to another (surely, painful) FAC -- if someone is up for that monumental task. -- tariqabjotu 10:20, 9 July 2008 (UTC)

Follow up

Hi Jayjg,

Just wanted to draw your attention here [1]. I've asked Elonka to have a look at it / offer advice on dealing with it.

You expressed an opinion before that "Attempts to remove all links to Zionism on the Web seem a bit too opportunistic and ideological for my taste - a bit more of the 'making political hay' out of the CAMERA case, which no doubt will be milked for every ounce of propaganda and editorial value possible."

Given that is just what happened any further thoughts on handling it or on the new discussion are welcome.

Thanks Oboler (talk) 22:49, 9 July 2008 (UTC)

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 Thanks [[User:Oboler|Oboler]] ([[User talk:Oboler|talk]]) 22:49, 9 July 2008 (UTC)
-== History ==
-Please do not delete referenced information and do not delete messages left on portal Poland. This is vandalism and administrators are not supposed to do it. [[User:Tymek|Tymek]] ([[User talk:Tymek|talk]]) 01:43, 10 July 2008 (UTC)
-:''Anecdotal reports of Jewish responses to the Soviet occupation exist, including accounts of young Jewish men and women with communist sympathies, wearing red armbands and often armed with rifles, cooperated with the Soviet security forces and served in the Red Militia or Revolutionary Committees actively assisting the [[NKVD]].[http://books.google.ca/books?id=A4FlatJCro4C&pg=PA49&lpg=PA49&dq=Jewish+collaboration+with+the+Soviet+invaders&source=web&ots=0JfNJ6SH-V&sig=5h-DyCYRCoEOnbZ2YFgeHkaq4oA&hl=en&sa=X&oi=book_result&resnum=5&ct=result] A knowledge of the language and the local scene made them essential for the [[Sovietization]] of the newly acquired Polish territories. Polish soldiers (especially officers) and policemen were disarmed, abused verbally and physically, and delivered by the Red Militia to the NKVD, sometimes even killed (see: [[Massacre of Brzostowica Mala]]). Thousands of Poles remembered Jewish celebrations after the Soviet invasion of Poland, there were stories of Jewish brutality''.
-'''Now tell me where you see one sided polemics here and what is the difference between the citation above and the one sided citation from the same article below'''
-''With Endecja party influence growing antisemitism gathered new momentum in Poland and was most felt in smaller towns and spheres in which Jews came into direct contact with Poles, such as in Polish schools or on the sports field. Verbal abuse of Jewish children in Polish schools was commonplace. Polish high-school students, influenced by the Endeks, forced their Jewish comrades to stand during lessons; the teachers, even those who were not antisemites, were usually afraid to intervene. Jewish children often fell victim to antisemitic incidents on their way to or from school. On the way to the soccer stadium, Jews were set upon and beaten, and a victory by the Jewish side was sufficient reason for renewed attacks. Many Jews feared having stones flung at them at Easter''.
-[[User:Tymek|Tymek]] ([[User talk:Tymek|talk]]) 01:58, 10 July 2008 (UTC)
-:Is it really about trying to blame the victims? Who were the victims of cooperation of thousands of Jews with the NKVD? Besides, this paragraph was added by me. Furthermore, the paragraph below has no references at all and yet it does not seem to bother you. History is a little more complicated, it is not only about ''evil Poles'', ''good Jews''. THere is no point in hiding it and using double standards, especially by a person who is an admin here (sic!) [[User:Tymek|Tymek]] ([[User talk:Tymek|talk]]) 02:30, 10 July 2008 (UTC)
-::Oh, have I been playing games? Was Jacurek already banned when this information was added? How about adding this information with proper sources? And I still did not get the answer to the question about victims. Please note that deleting sourced information disqualifies you as an admin and puts the whole project in bad light. [[User:Tymek|Tymek]] ([[User talk:Tymek|talk]]) 03:00, 10 July 2008 (UTC)