User talk:Afrika paprika

Please take your nationalist beliefs elsewhere, we don't want you here. GO AWAY! --KOCOBO 05:10, 16 July 2006 (UTC)

User notice: temporary 3RR block

Regarding reversions[1] made on July 16 2006 (UTC) to Nikola Tesla

You have been temporarily blocked for violation of the three-revert rule. Please feel free to return after the block expires, but also please make an effort to discuss your changes further in the future.

The duration of the block is 3 hours. William M. Connolley 21:39, 16 July 2006 (UTC)

Predrag Stojaković

Thank you for experimenting with Wikipedia. Your test worked, and it has been reverted or removed. Please use the sandbox for any other tests you want to do. Take a look at the welcome page if you would like to learn more about contributing to our encyclopedia.--Downwards 06:47, 17 July 2006 (UTC)

vandalism

Please refrain from removing content from Wikipedia, as you did to Dado Pršo. It is considered vandalism. If you want to experiment, please use the sandbox. Thank you. --Lowg 16:47, 24 July 2006 (UTC)

Deleting references

Does it make you feel proud? Do you actually believe that by deleting facts you can just make them 'go away' and disappear forever? If you are that much annoyed with Serbs and their contribution to world's science, culture and history, why do you use those same Serbs to present them as something they never were - Croats? Serbs are Serbs, and if you don't like them as they are, stop forging the data about their ethnicity to make them more likable to your preferences, it is impolite. Marechiel 00:07, 25 July 2006 (UTC)

I am not deleting "serbian references whenever possible". The facts are there, my goal however is to make the Tesla article more objective and neutral. It is you and the others who are constantly deleting and editing the fact he was born in Croatia and considered Croatia to be his homeland. User:Afrika Paprika 03:33, 25 July 2006 (UTC)

Welcome to Wikipedia. We invite everyone to contribute constructively to our encyclopedia. Take a look at the welcome page if you would like to learn more about contributing. However, unconstructive edits are considered vandalism, and if you continue in this manner you may be blocked from editing without further warning. Please stop, and consider improving rather than damaging the work of others. Thank you. Lowg 00:49, 25 July 2006 (UTC)

All my edits are constructive and can easily be confirmed by facts. You cannot bully me into giving into your revisionism. You will get reported if you continue with your vandalism. User:Afrika Paprika 03:35, 25 July 2006 (UTC)

You have not posted a single cited fact in all of your contributions. In two instances that I'm familar with, you have removed cited statements and references again and again with no explaination on talk, or cited sources for why you are going to remove it. That is vandalism. (example 1: Dado Prso, example 2: Nikola Tesla--Lowg 01:40, 25 July 2006 (UTC)

Yes I did. Both are undisputable facts. Tesla was born in Croatia and considered Croatia to be his homeland thus it deserves to be mentioned. My edits are seeking to make the article about him more neutral as it is opposed to chauvinist version you are pushing in now. Also Prso is a Croat, those are his own words. --Afrika Paprika 03:44, 25 July 2006 (UTC)

It is mentioned. You are just removing the mention of his ethnicity, and if you see the talk page on Nikola Tesla article shows what you are doing is vandalism. --Lowg 01:52, 25 July 2006 (UTC)

Sorry but no, I am not "just removing mention of his ethnicity" I am correcting the article. The only thing removed is at the start of the article which is irrelevant since the article explains in detail that he has been born into Serbian family in Croatia and that he took American citizenship. I wonder though what agenda do you have against more liberal and neutral article? It is what you are doing that is vandalism and not only that but trolling and revisionism. Afrika Paprika

Tesla wasn't born in Croatia, but in what was then Austria, and today Croatia, and didn't consider Croatia his homeland, but Yugoslavia.

At his time, and the time he spoke about it, Croatia was but a region in Yugoslavia, populated with both Serbs and Croats, and not a Croatian national state. Tesla isn't Croatian, as Heraclites isn't Turkish, nor Archimedes Italian, nor Josip Jelacic Serbian. His birthplace is in Croatian state, but it wasn't at the time of his birth. He lived to see independent Croatia only once in his life, when he was 85 (in 1941), and then he sided with Yugoslav King Peter II against his alleged "homeland". Tesla's homeland was, by his own words, Yugoslavia and Serbia, and his ethnicity Serbian and Yugoslavian, in the sense of integral Yugoslavism, where Yugoslavs are one people of the same race, language and tradition as Serbs.

Besides, it is more than clearly stated that his bithplace was at the time within Austria, and that today is in Croatia. Is there any dillema left for any reader not to know where Smiljan is? Tesla was born in Austria, on the territory that is today in Croatia. Should we play silly and add other "significant" facts that the area was originally Illyrian or Roman 2,000 years ago, that it belonged to Yugoslavia for more than 70 years, that it was/wasn't part of Serb Krajina in the 1990's, that the village was ethnically Serbian only 60 years ago, while today it isn't? Two dates are important: the time of Tesla's birth, to give the historical context, and present time, for the geographical accuracy. Tesla was born in the Military Frontier region of Austrian Empire, and his birthplace is today situated in Croatia.

Plus, what is so annoyng and frustrating with Serbian-American reference? (See the Discussion on Nikola Tesla page). Tesla was Serbian-American: an American of Serbian ethnic background, like there are Italian-Americans, Greek-Americans, African-Americans etc. He could not possibly be "Croatian-American", because he wasn't an ethnic Croat. And what's the thing with recent editing Serbian-American to Serbian? Are we clear with the subtle distinction in between nationality and ethnicity? Tesla was an American of Serbian ethnic origin, and with his political activities and active cherishing of his Serbian culture, tradition, language and connections, he fully deserves to be called a Serb wherever possible. Finally, it was his wish, for the whole world to know that his deeds are "the deeds of a Serb". Marechiel 14:01, 25 July 2006 (UTC)

Sorry but no. Tesla was born in Croatia which was at that time part of Austrian Empire(Habsburg Monarchy), if we would follow your logic Vuk S. Karadzic was born in Otttoman Empire. Also at the time he spoke it is clear that he meant Croatia. Also your example of Jelacic is wrong since Jelacic was born in Croatia since Petrovardin was part of Croatia since 17th century. Also there is nothing frustrating about Serbian or American references what is frustrating and annyoing is that you are trying to remove and hide the fact the man was born in Croatia, considered Croatia to be his homeland and by that fact is Croatian scientist. The only thing with Serbia(where he was only one or twice) is the fact he considered himself a Serb.

He also considered Yugoslavia his homeland, therefore he should be a Yugoslavian inventor (he wasn't a scientist!). He also considered Serbia, Austria and Hungary his homeland, therefore he should be Serbian/Austrian/Hungarian invenor. But he was neither, he was Serbian-American (do you comprehend what Serbian-American means?).

And Vuk Karadzic was born in what was at the moment Ottoman Empire, in the region that soon afterwards became the state of Serbia. Tesla wasn't born in Croatia, his birthplace became a part of Croatian state when he was 85, before that it was part of Austrian and Yugoslavian state. What's the point in forging the facts and the name of the state? Any independent Croatian state has been nothing but extremely hostile to Serbs, and Tesla wasn't born in such a state, but in a Serbian-Croatian region of multi-national and tollerant Austria. Marechiel 22:22, 25 July 2006 (UTC)

I see that you are hopeless. Tesla was born in Croatia, considered it his homeland and thus belongs equally to Croatia as much he belongs to Serbia as an ethnic Serb. As I said you can rant as much as you want facts are there and there to stay and no matter what you say, write or falsify. Also he was both a scientist and inventor. Afrika paprika

Tesla wasn't born in Croatia, and isn't Croatian in any way, especially not in the way of modern Croatian state, which is a national state of Croats, while in Tesla's time, it was but a Serbo-Croat (not Croatian) region in a multi-national Empire. You should rather stop insulting nad take more interest in the man you are trying to present as a Croat - he was a unitarian Yugoslavicist and against any Croatian secession from Yugoslavia, and any perspective that would allow Croatian people to be any different from the Serbs. Plus, he was a supporter of Mihailovic's Chetniks. Presenting Voivod Djujic as Croatian would make more sense: he at least lived in Croatian state... Marechiel 11:09, 26 July 2006 (UTC)

Tesla was born in Croatia since more specifcally in the Kingdom of Croatia-Slavonia which was at that time constitutive part of Habsburg Monarchy with it's own administration and regional parliament which was far more than any other region besies Austria and Hungary had in the Empire. He alone admitted Croatia is his homeland and that he is proud of it. Also I seriously doubt he supported fascists(Chetniks) or anything similar since he was humanist and pacifist. Afrika paprika

He did not "admit it", it was one courteous private message that meant nothing, since in all his public speeches he called Yugoslavia and Serbia his homeland, and denied Croats any right for exclusive state separated from Serbs and Serbia. In fact, much more times he called Austria-Hungary his homeland, than he spoke of Croatia. And he did support King Peter II and Mihailovic's Chetniks who fought fascists (Croats), since both of his Governments (USA and Yugoslavian) did. Moreover, the leader of Chetniks was a Minister in his Yugoslavian Government. Marechiel 14:31, 28 July 2006 (UTC)

Dado Prso

Your edits to Dado Prso are quite disruptive, and in violation of Wikipedia's policies on NPOV and V. We have a reliable source that says that he is an ethnic serb, and do not have a reliable source that disagrees with this. While this is not vandalism, you can still be blocked for this if you continue to do so without any discussion. A better use of your time would be to find a reliable source that says he is not an ethnic serb. --Philosophus ^T 11:10, 28 July 2006 (UTC)

My edits are not in violation of anything. The "reliable source" you are talking about is wrong as Prso himself has stated that(which I have provided sources as well) he is a Croat and that everything else is bullshit. I think he is by far more reliable source than the article from some ignorrant. I will continue to edit this false information as long as I can and you will find me I am quite persistant. Afrika paprika

Wikipedia does not present the truth. Rather, it presents reports by reliable sources. Since the AFP is a reliable source, we need to report on what it says even if it is wrong, not disregard it because of the error. The appropriate thing to do is to add that the AFP states ..., but (some other reliable source) states .... --Philosophus ^T 11:57, 28 July 2006 (UTC)

I disagree that AFP is reliable source. It's a news service as any other and it makes mistakes. This is a mistake by them. I have reliable sources which repeat exact words of Prso saying he is a Croat....on more than one occasion. You and and some others here disregarded it which is your problem actually. Afrika paprika

They do make mistakes sometimes, yes. All sources do. But since that is apparently one of only a few sources on the subject, the discrepency should be noted in the article. Otherwise, if someone reads that article, and the Wikipedia article, they will most likely think that Wikipedia is wrong. Furthermore, I don't see the sources that you are talking about. You should add a reference in a similar manner to the reference to the AFP article if you have such reliable sources. I really have very little knowledge or interest in the matter of Serb/Croat ethnicity, which I think is quite childish on the whole. I just noticed that you seemed to be disregarding WP:V in your edits, and other editors seemed to be disregarding the fact that you are not vandalising, and that their test templates were entirely inappropriate and could be seen as personal attacks. --Philosophus ^T 17:44, 28 July 2006 (UTC)

There is no discrepency, AFP article is just wrong and thats that. Both articles I have are in Croatian and have never been translated or mentioned in any foreign source(though for what reason is not clear to me), however they are there. One of the sources where Prso plainly states he is a Croat is still on the official site of Croatian Football Association(HNS - Hrvatski Nogometni Savez). The other with the title "I am a Croat and everything else is bullshit" has been published in 'Sportske Novosti'(Sport News) which is most distinguished sport news daily in Croatia. Both are mentioned in the talk page of the same article yet certain memebers disregarded this fact and continue to push for the false information....and may I notice these users are mainly Serbs who are also ashamed that certain Serbian sportsmen and other people were born in Croatia. Also there is nothing childlish with the matter of Serb or Croat ethnicity, at least no more than with any other ethnicity. And finally I have nothing against Serbs nor any other user here, I just want this article to be according to Prso's own statements and to be truthful. --Afrika paprika

Wikipedia does not report on the truth, it reports on what the sources for the article say. If your sources are not reliable sources or if they cannot be added to the article for some reason, then we must report that Prso is a Serb even if he isn't. That is just how Wikipedia is. Prso's own statements are not considered reliable unless they are published in a reliable source that is included in the article. The AFP is considered a reliable source. If the AFP article is just caused by a mistake, then feel free to contact AFP about it. Otherwise, we must report on what it says. --Philosophus ^T 02:38, 31 July 2006 (UTC)

Honestly thats quite an idiotic policy. But anyway the articles: "Dado Prso:I am a Croat everything else is bullshit" - http://www.index.hr/clanak.aspx?id=172002 ; Interview after 2004 EC game with France - http://www.hns-cff.hr/vijesti.asp?id=56 (official Croatian Football Association website). I'd say these are more than reliable sources unlike AFP who speculates. Afrika paprika

Then when you make your edit to Prso, add something like "Although ... describes him as an ethnic Serb [reference], ... and ... describe him as ...[references]". An edit like that will be much more effective. --Philosophus ^T 14:37, 31 July 2006 (UTC)

Blocked

Your extremely high number of reverts to the Dado Pršo article over the last few days are unacceptable. Revert wars are highly unproductive and disruptive to Wikipedia. I can see you've been informed of the 3-revert rule, and have chosen to take that as license to revert as often as you like as long as it's not more than 3 times in a day. When you return, I suggest you place a tag such as {{disputed}} on the article and continue the discussion on the talk page, and stop reverting. You may contest this block by adding {{unblock|reason}} to this page, which you can still edit. Mangojuice^talk 02:48, 29 July 2006 (UTC)

Blocked again

You are re-blocked for jumping into the same revert wars right after you block. Please explain your changes in article talk pages in cases of disagreements, or you will continue to be blocked for disruptive behavior. `'mikka (t) 21:49, 30 July 2006 (UTC)

Warning

Samo da znaš da od sada pratim sve tvoje izmene i da ću svako sranje koje napraviš u bilo kom članku revertovati. Ceo dan sam na netu, i imam vremena za to veruj mi. Ili malo smiri svoj nacionalizam i postani konstruktivan korisnik, ili pređi na neki nacionalistički forum. Hvala. PANONIAN (talk) 11:56, 11 August 2006 (UTC)

Poljubit ces me u guzicu. Sve sto ti "revertujes" ja cu revertirati nazad. Svoje velikosrpske proljeve ostavi za neki drugi sajt. User:Afrika paprika

Warning number two

Ne znaš s kim se kačiš fašistička pičkice, ali ćeš to shvatiti pre ili kasnije. Zato bolje pali sa Wikipedije odmah da ne trošiš svoje beskorisno vreme, jer ozbiljno ti kažem da te neću pustiti da napraviš ni jednu jedinu izmenu iz koje izvire mržnja prema Srbima. Fašisti zadojeni rasizmom kao ti nam ne trebaju na Vikipediji, a veoma brzo ćeš biti ponovo blokiran ako nastaviš tako. PANONIAN (talk) 11:29, 12 August 2006 (UTC)

Super mi se gace tresu. Kao sto rekoh mozes me samo poljubit u dupe. Inace ironicno je da ti mene nazivas fasistom, mozda da se pogledas u ogledalo bi shvatio neke stvari. Afrika paprika

Ja nemam šta da shvatim, ja sam pacifista i protivim se svakom obliku fašizma, a ti se visoko kotiraš na skali zadojenosti fašizmom. PANONIAN (talk) 21:04, 12 August 2006 (UTC)

LOL...daj ne lupetaj gluposti. Molio bih te da me ne zamaras svojih glupostima vise. Zahvaljujem. Afrika Paprika 15:32 13 August 2006

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Prestani pisati da je Ivana Milicevic hrvatska glumica jeli nije NIKADA ZIVELA u Hrvatskoj, nije nikada ni bila tamo!!!

Ona je americka-bosanska glumica ali je hrvatica po etnicitetu. Razumijes li? Hahahihihoho 12:02, 26 August 2006 (UTC)

Zao mi je ali ona sama za sebe kaze da je Hrvatica prema tome moze biti samo Americka glumica hrvatskog porijekla ili americko-hrvatska glumica. Bosanska nikad nije ni bila niti ce biti....sto je to uopce "bosanska glumica"? Ukratko postedi me... Afrika 03:22, 28 August 2006 (UTC)

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Please

Please, try to me a little more objective and read WP:POV,WP:CITE and WP:NOR? Thank you. --HolyRomanEmperor 12:15, 20 August 2006 (UTC)

I don't think you're the right person to call on other people's objectivity...especially not mine. Afrika 19:49, 22 August 2006 (UTC)

And why is that? Look at us - you've got me, who expresses his will to discuss and posts on the talk page - and on the other side is you, who refuses to discuss and refers to edit-warring and insulting in the manner of an internet troll (please see the article). I don't want to seem harsh, but I'm being objective. HolyRomanEmperor 11:40, 28 August 2006 (UTC)

I do not have the will nor the desire to "discuss" anything with a nationalist troll and revisionist such as yourself. You and 'objectivness' in the same sentence is an oxymoron with you being the latter part of that term. Cheers. Afrika 03:34, 31 August 2006 (UTC)

That is where you are wrong, my fried - you don't have a choice. Your edits will be reverted until you wish to discuss them - and continuing to refuse democracy might only get you banned. --HolyRomanEmperor 14:35, 31 August 2006 (UTC)

"My edits" are already discussed, if you actually cared about objectivity and referred to the talk page you would see that it was Pannonian who made the edit due to reached consensus. His version is most NPOV and objective. You keep pushing your nationalistic version and it is you who will get banned...for the second time. :-))) Afrika 04:20, 1 September 2006 (UTC)

I wasn't banned - this account was (under my suspicion). I operated as User:HRE until I got it back and had it unblocked (safety measures). Go ahead and read the whole story. If you see Talk:Pagania, you'll noticed that your arguements have reached a deadend. Additionally, PANONIAN questioned your arguements and asked you further (that you woulod've known had you read the talk page). --HolyRomanEmperor 18:13, 2 September 2006 (UTC)

I see that the account was banned thus your were banned. I don't care under what circumstance that ban came...just as you don't care why I had 3RRR block for three hours but you're ready to point it out...so there you have it. Also it seems that you need to look up better at Talk:Pagania and also Pannonian did asked me further but has in the end agreed to make a more neutral stance and made an excellent NPOV article...now you come back again pushing for NPOV nationalistic version. Sorry but no. Again it is you who needs to read the talk page not me. Afrika 23:56, 2 September 2006 (UTC)

Nope - I continued under User:HRE. This forcing and misunderstanding has made me come to a conclusion that you were involved in the hiijacking of my old account. I am ready to point out an error that you made - however, you pointing out how I was terrorized and abused and then misinterpreting it won't do you any good. PANONIAN has suggested compromise - and then he himself asked you to prove arguements for the current version, which you failed to do - so the deal's "off" :). I read the talk page around 10 times by now and only can see your silence. --HolyRomanEmperor 14:56, 16 September 2006 (UTC)

Your 'conclusion' is hillarious. Furthermore I have nothing to 'disscus' with you as you showed total lack of objectivity and neutrality. Afrika 21:41, 16 September 2006 (UTC)

WARNING

This is a warning. Continue to push an edit war and you might be blocked. Please, try to be more disscussive and less lenient on edit-warring. --HolyRomanEmperor 14:41, 31 August 2006 (UTC)

LOL! I don't think you have the right or the ability to push wrnings...especially if one knows your past here on the forum. The article was settled until you came so it is in fact you who are pushing the flame and edit war. Afrika 04:22, 1 September 2006 (UTC)

Settled? What are you talking about? I wrote that article from scrap to what it is until you barged in. --HolyRomanEmperor 15:27, 1 September 2006 (UTC)

You are totally derranged.... Afrika 18:08, 1 September 2006 (UTC)

No personal attacks!

You have made a personal attack. Please read Wikipedia:No personal attacks. Just a reminder - because people get banned for that. --HolyRomanEmperor 17:40, 1 September 2006 (UTC)

Calling you derranged? You call that a personal attack? What about calling someone "internet troll" without provocation like you did? Please do not make me laugh... And stop playing like you are some kind of moderator...your "warnings" are laughable. :-))) Afrika 20:58, 1 September 2006 (UTC)

Seriously. You can disagree with someone as strongly as you want, but do not insult them. Okay? DS 17:52, 1 September 2006 (UTC)

If you look a bit further up you will see that he insulted me far worse. Strange how you didn't notice that. Afrika 20:55, 1 September 2006 (UTC)

I'm not familiar with the entire situation yet.

Incidentally, changing an article to a version that you don't agree with... that is not vandalism. Vandalism would be, for example, changing every tenth word into "penis", or adding a picture of dogs having sex - something silly and stupid and deliberately useless. Simply because you don't agree with what was done, that does not make it vandalism.

I'm going to read through what was said now. DS 21:20, 1 September 2006 (UTC)

Okay. He said that you were behaving like a Troll. And, in fact, now that I've read your statements... I am forced to agree. I'm willing to believe that you did not mean this. However, you need to modify your behavior. Do you understand? DS 21:28, 1 September 2006 (UTC)

I don't care wheter you agree with him or not(although it was clear you are here to support this troll from the first moment you appeared here) nor you or anyone have validity to tell me I "need to modify my behaviou". My behaviour is quite in order and unlike the person you defend I do not go around Wikipedia and change articles so it would suit my own nationalistic agenda....the only agenda I have is neutrality and objectivity. Afrika 18:39, 2 September 2006 (UTC)

The worst thing about yourself is to claim neutrality and objectivity. I don't say that I am neutral. No one is neutral... nor objective (at least the way they should be). Except bots, ofcourse :D. Anyway, if you wish to head for neutrality and objectivity so fiercly, why don't you come and talk. Don't get me wrong, but starting a discussion and then abandoning it but continuing to push a version of an article is mostly self-evident as "oh no, I am wrong! well, anyway, I'll try to push it still" - a desperate user. --HolyRomanEmperor 18:29, 2 September 2006 (UTC)

The worst thing I could is to run across Wikipedia changing what it doesn't suit me to my political views like you are doing. And I did have come and talked. While you were banned the discussion was concluded and consensus was reached. Afrika 20:55, 2 September 2006 (UTC)

AFAIC that is what you seem to be doing. And I repeat again, even though I've told you a thousand times this before and you mysteriously overheard, I wasn't banned, but my account hijacked and blocked under my behalf and I worked temporarely under User:HRE. Careful inspection of Talk:Pagania, though, clearly shows how you evaded discussion and resorted to edit-warring. --HolyRomanEmperor 08:44, 9 September 2006 (UTC)

6 million?

Any proofs? References? --Ante Perkovic 21:01, 13 September 2006 (UTC)

Sources

Please, read WP:CITE and WP:NOR. You have to support your arguements, or they are to be dismissed without discussion. Additionally, please read WP:V and note removal - in that case, your edits shall be reverted without second thoughts. Please stop pushing versions at Pagania, Zahumlje, Duklja and Travunia and start bringing sane arguements to the corresponding talk pages. Thank you. I look forward to (this time good) cooperation/collaboration regarding those articles. --HolyRomanEmperor 21:16, 14 September 2006 (UTC)

Pagania

I have been asked to express my opinion on this dispute. I admit I am not familiar with the subject but I could not fail to notice some issues. As far as I see this, you are disputing the article version reworked by him but have failed so far to provide any sources to back up your actual claim (i.e. some historians consider them as possibly Croats or non-Serbs). Another point to consider is whether giving both positions the same importance would result on undue weight. Basically, what I mean is that whichever the more accepted view is, it would have to be clearly identified as such. Regards, Asterion^talk 21:40, 14 September 2006 (UTC)

Actually I have provided sources and I have also asked him to answer and clear some issues...he did not do that. Also consensus on all the articles(Pagania, Duklja, Zahumlje, Travunja) has been reached and in the spirit of NPOV policy of wikipedia...now he returns after his ban and pushes for some fantasy version of his own. If you observe the NPOV versions have all been written and promoted by other people not me....I am just here not allowing him to revert it back to his nationalistic version. Afrika 02:28, 16 September 2006 (UTC)

AFAIC - I have just skimmed Talk:Pagania, and could find no arguement presented in your edits. As can be seen, I cleared out and answered all of the issues that you have presented me. There was no consensus on the Duklja article. Other "consensuses" were brought mainly through "giving in" to all that Wikipedia opposes - intetnet trolling, vandalism and Original Research - and I can't let that happen. Define "nationalistic version". All I care is sourcefullness/accuracy. Now that this is the 7th time that you mention that I was banned - even though I was not, but was a victim of such actions like in the manner of yours (it was a hijack). I can this only interpret as an intentional provocation from you. - either you intentionally plan on frustrating me, or even worse, you don't read a thing I say. Either way, this will not seem nice on your carreer here - so please, stop that. --HolyRomanEmperor 12:24, 16 September 2006 (UTC)

You have not answered all and you keep avoiding giving the answers. I really don't care what you think...you have lost all credibility long time ago with me. Afrika 21:45, 16 September 2006 (UTC)

I have just reskimmed Talk:Pagania and could see no posts made by you. It is thus you who keeps avoiding discussion/answering. The fact that you don't care what I think also speaks a lot from your side and neglecting of the fact that Wikipedia is free, so you cannot undermine my opinion. Instead of commenting the User, comment the content of articles (as Wikipedia's policies state) - I have - you haven't. --HolyRomanEmperor 15:28, 17 September 2006 (UTC)

Perhaps you should consider getting better glassess? And it is interesting that you speak how I 'undermine' your opinion when it is you who is doing that exact thing...and not just my opinkon but Pannonian and of other people as well. Instead of a compromise and NPOV version you keep pushing for some fantasy version of your own...well be sure that my patience is great and I will be persistant until you realize you cannot force unfounded and ridiculous nationalistic claims. Regards. Afrika 20:52, 17 September 2006 (UTC)

User:PANONIAN asked you to prove your claims - and you ignored that. I still overlooked the page and could no claim/arguement/source to support your version. Could you give one? --HolyRomanEmperor 21:51, 17 September 2006 (UTC)

Please STOP

You know, ignoring of friendly advises and/or "peace treaties", to call 'em; and silently continue your edit wat, it will only backfire on you. Consider this a friendly warning as well. This way won't get you anywhere - and you'll only damage me (who is intent on defending his creations from destruction), you and the globality appeal of Wikipedia, this free Encyclopedia. Please don't break everything that it stands for. --HolyRomanEmperor 20:29, 15 September 2006 (UTC)

I am done "disscussing" with you. You have proven to be thickheaded and stuborn extremist. Please stop vandalising the mentioned article and please remove yourself from my talk page. Thank you. Afrika 02:25, 16 September 2006 (UTC)

Actually - please understand what is calssified as Vandalism. You appearently didn't read (or read and forgot) the last time I pointed you out to that rule - but here's the link again - Wikipedia:Vandalism. According to it, plain unexplained removal is considered vandalism - which you have been doind - which is to be reverted as soon as possible. Tell me, why is my editing classified as vandalism? It's merely a content dispute (please differ that from vandalism - its very different). Actually, one must look who is extremist - extremists often resort to violence, ignorring the peace talks (which you have been doing). You have also expressed stubborness by defending your personal aims no matter what - and at all costs of jeoperdizing this encyclopedia. --HolyRomanEmperor 11:56, 16 September 2006 (UTC)

I must say it is quite ridiculous that you accuse me of things that you do. As I said you exhibit total lack of neutrality and objectivity. Pushing for your own nationalistic and unfounded/unsourced version of the history will not be tolerated. Afrika 21:43, 16 September 2006 (UTC)

AFAIC, let me make a comparation. You come and claim that Putin is white, however; I attack you, insult you and barge claiming that any claims of Putin's caucasianess is highly nationalistic and can't be tolerated (claiming that he's black), but without any sort of arguement whatsoever, sources, evidence, discussion or even mild claims. That's what you have been doing. --HolyRomanEmperor 14:55, 17 September 2006 (UTC)

LOL. This is simply ridiculous. :-))) Afrika 20:49, 17 September 2006 (UTC)

You might consider it ridiculous and this project a thjing to play with - to me, it is an important thing.

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Afrika paprika, please stop. you are on a wrong path.

Regarding Ivana Milicevic article, please explain why is "Croatian actress" better than "Bosnian actress od Croatian descent". Croatian actress is ambiguous because it may relate to Croatia while Bosnian actress od Croatian descent precisely explains who she is.

So, I really don't understand what are you trying to prove here. This issue is quite simple and I'm beginning to think that your only motive is to provoke other people (notably - Serbs and Bosniaks). I hope that isn't the case.

Please, explain why do you think that your version is better then mine.

--Ante Perkovic 20:55, 17 September 2006 (UTC)

Are you OK? Are you aware that you were just talking to yourself??? --HolyRomanEmperor 22:32, 17 September 2006 (UTC)