User talk:CommanderInDubio

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Talk page access temporarily restored

I have re-enabled your talk page access for the duration of the discussion at AN regarding your request to have your community ban lifted. Please bear in mind, this is SOLELY for responding to questions you may have from the community, and if it is seen that the talk page is being used for purposes other than this, it will be rescinded immediately. RickinBaltimore (talk) 18:04, 12 January 2022 (UTC)

Response to @Moneytrees: @Pawnkingthree: @Celestina007: regarding their Concerns

I definitely forgot to mention that I did not only made several mistakes by wrongly tagging translated articles but indeed also copy-violated some articles. This is in the end actually inexcusable - the community can with good reason expect that especially experienced editors who by themselves tagged dozens of articles for copy-violating take better care of this.

You are totally right concerning my first block - at this time I was in Spain in one of the hardest covid lockdowns in the world, lost all of my income and my frustration about my life did leave by far too many footprints in my editorial behaviour many times (not only with TonyBalloni). I seeked my meaning of life in editing - I did several thousands edits a week, was one of the most active editors for several months if I am not totally wrong and so got very easy upset. I accepted critics more than once - many, many times off-wiki from several Admins who helped me or noticed me about issues but after a time you just think "Hey, I make several hundreds edits a day and so I am sure I do know it better, I do not need to accept critics" -- which of course is totally nonsense.

Finally I do not want to see it as a block-unblock cycle - if I would see it like this I would have asked for an unblock by far earlier and honestly I was thinking for weeks before finally raising the ticket. I am not begging for forgiveness - what I said and did was definitely more than once wrong but I am also sure that I still could improve OUR project - in which I still believe! - as a simple editor (as I said, I am totally free for restrictions - no matter what they might be). Thank you for reading and considering.CommanderWaterford (talk) 21:45, 12 January 2022 (UTC)

Sorry to hear about your troubles.

I pressed "Related Changes" on my user page to check what's been happening, and your talk page came across my screen. As far as I concerned, we had a great cooperation, and I appreciated you as an editor and NPP checker (it was usually you or JohnB123). So for what it is worth, I think you've done great, and last year was a pleasure IMHO. And no, I don't want to know all the details, because AN/I is place which I avoid at all costs, because of the nasty atmosphere there. I would like to remind anybody watching this page, that you should not throw out the baby with water. KittenKlub (talk) 22:18, 12 January 2022 (UTC)

Thank you for your kind words @KittenKlub, @Timtrent, @Elli, @Liz + @Piotrus. If you want to support you can leave a simple "Support Unblocking" at WP:AN if you wish, greatly appreciated. CommanderWaterford (talk) 22:13, 14 January 2022 (UTC)

Please do not be even slightly tempted to use this page for general communications. It will spoil your request for unblock/unban. I have already commented at AN. I understand the circumstances that caused you the stress, and I feel that those circumstances explain a very great deal.

I would like you back as a colleague editor and AFC reviewer.

I am studying the AN request. Please do NOT answer me here. I am simply making some observations that you may or may not agree with, and I intend them to be helpful.

It seems to many of the responders that you have not addressed in detail the issues they wish you to address. Please may I suggest that you respond, presumably by leaving a response here, in a manner that addresses their concerns. Obviously the response must not just be words. You must then act on any words (once allowed).

Note that one editor has expressed reservations about potential harassment if you are to be unblocked. I make a strong suggestion that you respond to that.

Note, please, that there appears to be an emerging view of 'Not yet'. If that proves to be the case it is not as bad as 'no, never', and you need to work within the parameters of that suggestion if it happens.

I doubt that this unban request will be successful, but I think you will be better able to make a successful request if this one fails, in approximately 6 months.

I have not checked the terms of your ban, but you may be able to show excellent and collegial behaviour by editing at (eg) Wikidata, Wikiquote, etc, if the terms of your ban allow it. Check the terms. That is up to you. If they do I recommend that course of action. But be very clear: Screw it up there and it will not help. I am trusting you not to get it wrong.

Again, please do not reply to me here. Make your behaviour act as your reply. I am happy, if you are able to use the email function and wish to do so, to receive email from you, but I do not reply via email. No exceptions. Fiddle^Timtrent Faddle^Talk to me 13:10, 15 January 2022 (UTC)

That feeling when you thought you knew but really didn't.
Atsme 💬 📧 23:50, 17 January 2022 (UTC)

Well, in order to prevent any further communication with the user explaining their concerns about possible harassment towards them it would be perhaps an idea to establish an explicit ban for my user towards them after unblocking. As some may have noticed although being totally banned (and also being harassed at this time, on and off wiki) I already continued participating regularly at the Spanish version and Wikidata the last couple of months w/o the slightest issue. I am not allowed to use WK Email and there will be no private conversation at all, Tim, don't worry. My comments here are strictly related to the appeal. I do see primarily people who were heavily involved in my community ban participating in my unblock appeal discussion at WP:AN arguing among others of block-unblock cycles so of course I do not plan to raise another appeal in 6 months, the responding argument would be the same in the future. CommanderWaterford (talk) 14:29, 15 January 2022 (UTC)

Regarding the comments made by @Moneytrees @Atsme and @Star Mississippi -- FIW although I thought I knew almost everything at this time I really learned a LOT while being at NPP School with ATSME and indeed - after checking once again articles which were brought up by the cci - I must agree that I definitely need some more tutoring on Copyvio Issues and I honestly would be happy if one of you guys would in the future so kind helping me out. CommanderWaterford (talk) 23:28, 17 January 2022 (UTC)

Attributing translations is easy enough, just add {{translated page|projectname|translatedarticlename}}

to the talk page. I want to expand a bit on my example with Port of Arrecife; you added this text in this edit:

Lanzarote is situated at a distance of 68 nautical miles from the African continent and is in a key geostrategic position, on the route between the European, African and American continents. This location made the port essential for container traffic. Every year, more than 65,000 TEUs pass through.

The Marina of the Port has 360 berths afloat and 72 dry-dock places. It can handle boats of lengths ranging from 4 metres to 60-metre yachts. t has a painting facility in place for boats of up to 60 meters in length.

This is what the source said:

Lanzarote is situated at a distance of 68 nautical miles from the African continent and is in a key geostrategic position, on the route between the European, African and American continents. This location, together with its inland economic development, has set it up as a port enclave for container traffic. Every year, more than 65,000 TEUs pass through its terminal, which already boasts three gantry cranes.

The Marina of Arrecife Port in Lanzarote has 360 berths afloat and 72 dry-dock places. It services boats of lengths ranging from 4 metres to 60-metre superyachts. - these two sentences are not exactly identical to the ones you added to the article, but they are very closely phrased.

It also has a painting facility in place for boats of up to 60 meters in length.

There is an issue of direct copy and pasting and also close paraphrasing here. If you provided an example of how you would re-write what you added so it did not have overlap with the source, it could go a long way in addressing the copyright part of the ban. Moneytrees🏝️^{Talk/CCI guide} 05:05, 19 January 2022 (UTC)

@Moneytrees Indeed. Much better would have been:

"Lanzarote is a significant geostrategic location on the path connecting the European, African, and American continents, located 68 nautical miles from the African continent. This location, combined with its inland economic development, has established it as a container port enclave. Over 65,000 TEUs travel through its terminal each year, which already has three gantry cranes.

The Arrecife Port Marina in Lanzarote includes 360 floating berths and 72 dry-dock spaces. It caters to yachts ranging in length from 4 meters to 60 meters. A painting facility for boats up to 60 meters in length is also available." CommanderWaterford (talk) 09:28, 19 January 2022 (UTC)

Request for unban declined by community

I regret to inform you that the community has declined your request to be allowed to edit again. As such, I will be reinstating the talk page block on your account as well, as the discussion has ended. RickinBaltimore (talk) 13:09, 19 January 2022 (UTC)