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== Closure of [[David III of Tao]] → [[David III]] == |
== Closure of [[David III of Tao]] → [[David III]] == |
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I applaud your approach to weigh the arguments depending on well they are supported by policy. However, your closing decision here rests heavily on the following interpretation of the opposing argument: {{Quote|the somewhat related [opposition] argument that the proposed titles were less recognizable was valid and weighty under policy}}. This statement suggests you believe that [[WP:RECOGNIZABILITY]] is measured on some kind of continuum, where more recognizable is better than less recognizable, period. However, the RECOGNIZABILITY criteria is clearly specified as a ''threshold'' that must be met: {{Quote|The title is a name or description of the subject that someone familiar with, although not necessarily an expert in, the subject area will recognize.}} That is, a title that "is a name or description of the subject that someone familiar with, although not necessarily an expert in, the subject area will recognize" meets the RECOGNIZABILITY criteria just as well as a title that is more recognizable to the public in general. The proposed titles all meet this criteria, there is no dispute about that, so RECOGNIZABILITY does not favor opposition. |
I applaud your approach to weigh the arguments depending on how well they are supported by policy. However, your closing decision here rests heavily on the following interpretation of the opposing argument: {{Quote|the somewhat related [opposition] argument that the proposed titles were less recognizable was valid and weighty under policy}}. This statement suggests you believe that [[WP:RECOGNIZABILITY]] is measured on some kind of continuum, where more recognizable is better than less recognizable, period. However, the RECOGNIZABILITY criteria is clearly specified as a ''threshold'' that must be met: {{Quote|The title is a name or description of the subject that someone familiar with, although not necessarily an expert in, the subject area will recognize.}} That is, a title that "is a name or description of the subject that someone familiar with, although not necessarily an expert in, the subject area will recognize" meets the RECOGNIZABILITY criteria just as well as a title that is more recognizable to the public in general. The proposed titles all meet this criteria, there is no dispute about that, so RECOGNIZABILITY does not favor opposition. |
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Your closure also dismisses the supporting argument citing NCROY, because you claim NCROY "does not actually apply to Georgian monarchs (being Asian)". Although NCROY seems to limit its scope to European monarches by stating it is "intended to apply to medieval and modern European rulers and nobility", it also says: "Elsewhere, territorial designations are usually unnecessary in article titles". Georgia is "elsewhere": therefore, per NCROY, "territorial designations are usually unnecessary". Opposition did not show why these titles should be exceptions that necessitate territorial |
Your closure also dismisses the supporting argument citing NCROY, because you claim NCROY "does not actually apply to Georgian monarchs (being Asian)". Although NCROY seems to limit its scope to European monarches by stating it is "intended to apply to medieval and modern European rulers and nobility", it also says: "Elsewhere, territorial designations [like “of Tao”] are usually unnecessary in article titles". Georgia is "elsewhere": therefore, per NCROY, "territorial designations are usually unnecessary". Opposition did not show why these titles should be exceptions that necessitate territorial designations in their titles. |
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Please reconsider your decision accordingly. -- [[User:Born2cycle|В²C]] [[User_talk:Born2cycle#top|☎]] 04:57, 26 April 2024 (UTC) |
Please reconsider your decision accordingly. -- [[User:Born2cycle|В²C]] [[User_talk:Born2cycle#top|☎]] 04:57, 26 April 2024 (UTC) |
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Your move closure
I see that you've closed the discussion on:
- Edward V of England → Edward V
- Edward IV of England → Edward IV
even though consensus was clearly not in favour. Would you please consider reverting your close? It appears to me to have little reasoning or valuation of the arguments behind it. Non-admins are advised against closing discussions where the outcome is likely to be controversial - see WP:BADNAC. Deb (talk) 07:42, 23 April 2024 (UTC)
- I just noticed this closure as well and was also surprised, since the discussion did not reach consensus. Like Deb, I would ask that you please consider reverting your non-admin closure. Thank you! ╠╣uw [talk] 10:05, 23 April 2024 (UTC)
- @Deb and Huwmanbeing: The role of a closer is primarily to apply policies and guidelines and only secondarily to count votes. In this case, the guideline's prescription is clear: Medieval European monarchs should only include a territorial designation when necessary for disambiguation, and disambiguation is not necessary in either of these cases (indeed, there is nothing else to disambiguate from). Those who dislike this prescription should be seeking a consensus to change the guideline (or downgrade its status), rather than attempting to block changes that conform with it on individual articles. I stand by my closure; you may challenge it at move review if you wish. —Compassionate727 (T·C) 12:38, 23 April 2024 (UTC)
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Closure of David III of Tao → David III
I applaud your approach to weigh the arguments depending on how well they are supported by policy. However, your closing decision here rests heavily on the following interpretation of the opposing argument:
the somewhat related [opposition] argument that the proposed titles were less recognizable was valid and weighty under policy
. This statement suggests you believe that WP:RECOGNIZABILITY is measured on some kind of continuum, where more recognizable is better than less recognizable, period. However, the RECOGNIZABILITY criteria is clearly specified as a threshold that must be met:
The title is a name or description of the subject that someone familiar with, although not necessarily an expert in, the subject area will recognize.
That is, a title that "is a name or description of the subject that someone familiar with, although not necessarily an expert in, the subject area will recognize" meets the RECOGNIZABILITY criteria just as well as a title that is more recognizable to the public in general. The proposed titles all meet this criteria, there is no dispute about that, so RECOGNIZABILITY does not favor opposition.
Your closure also dismisses the supporting argument citing NCROY, because you claim NCROY "does not actually apply to Georgian monarchs (being Asian)". Although NCROY seems to limit its scope to European monarches by stating it is "intended to apply to medieval and modern European rulers and nobility", it also says: "Elsewhere, territorial designations [like “of Tao”] are usually unnecessary in article titles". Georgia is "elsewhere": therefore, per NCROY, "territorial designations are usually unnecessary". Opposition did not show why these titles should be exceptions that necessitate territorial designations in their titles.
Please reconsider your decision accordingly. -- В²C ☎ 04:57, 26 April 2024 (UTC)