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Criticism of Barack Obama subpage

You deleted a subpage article that is currently being discussed, citing your own POV assessment of what that article contains, characterizing such in a particularly POV way, and not having participated or given regard to discussion at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Barack Obama/Criticism of Barack Obama. Restore it now. Thanks. -Stevertigo 20:23, 15 March 2009 (UTC)

As I mentioned on your talk page, the proper forum to review whether the deletion was appropriate is deletion review. Feel free to take the page there, and please let me know so I can watchlist the discussion. I'm always ready to learn if I've done something wrong. - Dan Dank55 (push to talk)

You appear to have certain opinions about the value of that particular subpage draft. You might also have similar opinions about the creation of such subpages, the usage of templates transclusion to aid article development, and the motivations of the creator. All of them are certainly valid opinions, in the context of discussion. To simply delete something outright requires more than rationale; it requires that such rational be accurate and have the support of other editors. We are discussing that issue now, and your deletion only serves to destroy and stigmatize that strange process of discussion first, delete after. You made some charachterizations on the Talk:Obama page, not rationales. Restore it, and join the discussion. -Stevertigo 20:31, 15 March 2009 (UTC)

As I said at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Barack Obama/Criticism of Barack Obama: To quote WP:BLP: "Summary [speedy] deletion in part or whole is relevant when the page contains unsourced negative material or is disparaging and written non-neutrally, and when this cannot readily be repaired or replaced to an acceptable standard." To quote WP:Attack page: "An attack page is a Wikipedia article, page, template, category, redirect or image that exists primarily to disparage its subject. Under the criteria for speedy deletion, these pages are subject to being deleted by any administrator at any time." I have speedily deleted this page, and since it's already been speedily deleted under this and another name 6 times now, I have salted it (protected against recreation) for 1 month. I don't make the rules, I just enforce them. This is perhaps the one policy that the Wikimedia Foundation feels the most strongly about, since Wikipedia is subject to the same laws on defamation that everyone else in the U.S. is. As always, I could be wrong, and if so, the place to contest this is deletion review. - Dan Dank55 (push to talk) 20:43, 15 March 2009 (UTC)

That's the policy; now a personal note. I know that it's easy to feel "slapped down" when someone comes along and deletes an article you've put some work into. I didn't delete the article because there's anything wrong with your work, and Wikipedia does sometimes divide up biographical articles among separate pages, and some of the pages will slant in one direction while other pages slant in another direction. Keeping everything balanced is hard work, and I wish you the best of luck with making the points you'd like to make. But our policy is to delete pages which exist to disparage their subjects immediately; you can then continue your discussion in the obvious place, the talk page of Barack Obama, and if you can gain consensus to divide up the information among separate pages in the way you like, then you can proceed. Happy editing. - Dan Dank55 (push to talk) 21:00, 15 March 2009 (UTC)

• Hello Dank55. As an admin, can you userfy the last version of the article for me so I can continue to work on it, or point me to an editor who can? Thanks. Ism schism (talk) 20:56, 15 March 2009 (UTC)

  I'm sorry, userfication is suggested by our policy for certain types of deleted pages, but not when a page is deleted because it's created to disparage its subject. I'm guessing the reason for that is that userpages are indexed, which means the potentially defamatory material would immediately wind up on search engines and mirrors. - Dan Dank55 (push to talk) 21:00, 15 March 2009 (UTC)

  Pages can be explicitly {{NOINDEX}}'d, but I still don't think userification is appropriate here. Protonk (talk) 21:27, 15 March 2009 (UTC)

Criticism of BLP

I see that your policy is to immediately delete pages which exist only to disparage their subject. This is great news. Please delete "criticism of George W. Bush". Ejnogarb (talk) 00:46, 16 March 2009 (UTC)

That page was created after consensus on the article's talk page to split the issues up among separate pages. Criticism of Barack Obama was created without any prior consensus, for the purpose of disparaging the article's subject (and at least two other people). See the policy quoted above; such pages are subject to instant deletion. - Dan Dank55 (push to talk) 00:54, 16 March 2009 (UTC)

It's hypocrisy, and your bias is ruining Wikipedia. There is enough criticism of Barack Obama which has been documented by varied, notable sources to produce such a page. Ejnogarb (talk) 01:25, 16 March 2009 (UTC)

The place to argue for retention of the page is at the deletion review at Wikipedia:Deletion review/Log/2009 March 15. If I'm being hypocritical, they'll catch it. You're welcome to weigh in. - Dan Dank55 (push to talk) 01:27, 16 March 2009 (UTC)

User:Lisebug/Sandbox

I'm sorry, I couldn't find any copyright violation on the indicated page. Another page, perhaps? - Dan Dank55 (push to talk) 18:42, 16 March 2009 (UTC)

No, that page... if you copy any portion of text from that page into Google, it already appears on this page and others. For examples, see this, this and this. ╟─TreasuryTag►contribs─╢ 18:50, 16 March 2009 (UTC)

PS:- shall I restore the speedy-tag, or will you deal with it yourself? Thanks :-) ╟─TreasuryTag►contribs─╢ 18:53, 16 March 2009 (UTC)

Julian just deleted as spam. - Dan Dank55 (push to talk) 19:05, 16 March 2009 (UTC)

 Done –Juliancolton ^{Tropical Cyclone} 19:08, 16 March 2009 (UTC)

Foreign workers in Kuwait

U.S. federal govt text is all public domain, so no copyvio; declining speedy deletion, adding {{StateDept}}, taking to AfD. - Dan Dank55 (push to talk) 20:28, 16 March 2009 (UTC)

Sudbury Community Foundation

A judgment call, but I prefer not to db-spam nonprofit organizations where I think there's a chance of notability in cases where I think we're likely to get a bite either from a deletion sort cat (see the AfD if you don't know what that means) or from a wikiproject, so I'm declining the speedy, notifying WP:Canada, and taking it to AfD. - Dan Dank55 (push to talk) 21:03, 16 March 2009 (UTC)

		The Minor Barnstar
		Bringing Sudbury Community Foundation to AfD and posting on the Canadian Wikipedians Notice Board rather than speedy deleting is a prime example of the little things one can do to improve Wikipedia, and for that I award you a little barnstar.--kelapstick (talk) 04:25, 17 March 2009 (UTC)

Cue fingerclapping! Thanks! - Dan Dank55 (push to talk) 04:27, 17 March 2009 (UTC)

P.S. It's so cute! - Dan Dank55 (push to talk) 15:22, 17 March 2009 (UTC)

Florcello

Could you please explain how my article on Florcello submitted 03/16/09 is considered "blatent advertising"? How could it possibly be written in a more unbiased fashion ? I want to learn. Please take a look a the articles for Tuaca, Liquor Fogg, Sabra... If these articles are acceptable, please advise how I am offending the Wiki rules.--MBH2000 (talk) 23:36, 16 March 2009 (UTC)

Giving the link here for admins who might want to look: Florcello. The first reason I gave was actually what we call WP:CSD A7 or "db-notability". We don't have articles about 99.999% of existing products; there has to be some significant record in journals, books, newspapers etc. that indicate that a variety of people believe the product is a fixture in our culture, something worth talking and writing about; this is a concept we call WP:Notability on Wikipedia. Generally, a product has to be widely deployed before it even has a shot at notability. I did a Google search, there weren't a lot of hits, and none of the hits suggested that someone was mentioning your product in something we consider a reliable source in a way that would establish notability. One admin had deleted your article as "spam" and another person had tagged it as "spam", and I believe they meant more or less the same thing. I personally don't care for the text "blatant advertising", because I don't think that's applicable even in most cases where we use that tag, but wiser people than me have decided that that's the tone they prefer. - Dan Dank55 (push to talk) 00:14, 17 March 2009 (UTC)

Toxic Waste (confectionery)

Declining db-spam since the article has been around a couple of years; Google hits suggest the candy might have entered popular culture sufficiently, but I can't tell. Taking to AfD. - Dan Dank55 (push to talk) 04:06, 17 March 2009 (UTC)

Yurihonjo hinakaido

I'm really out of my element here, but this doesn't feel spammy to me. Taking to AfD to address notability. - Dan Dank55 (push to talk) 04:42, 17 March 2009 (UTC)

well, as the author of this, you should consider that there is barely any other information on this area in the wikipedia and that this event is set to grow in the coming years to become a major tourist attraction in the area. I decided to include it because it is cultural, historical and also unique.Chrissato (talk) 14:40, 17 March 2009 (UTC)chrissato

Okay, I'll copy this comment to Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Yurihonjo hinakaido, the page where people will discuss for 5 days whether to delete the article or not; I don't participate in that discussion, usually. At the moment, it looks they want to keep it, but the article needs some work. - Dan Dank55 (push to talk) 14:58, 17 March 2009 (UTC)

Yellow Springs Kids Playhouse

Not overly promotional, but notability is in question. Removing from db-spam, taking to AfD. - Dan Dank55 (push to talk) 04:57, 17 March 2009 (UTC)

National Association of Retail Shipping Centers

I prefer not to speedy for db-spam when an article has been around for this long; also when it's at AfD. I'll add some links to the AfD. - Dan Dank55 (push to talk) 05:08, 17 March 2009 (UTC)

Miessence

Declining speedy as db-spam. Article has been around for a while, edited by several admins, 3 references from reliable sources. - Dan Dank55 (push to talk) 05:16, 17 March 2009 (UTC)

Lauten Audio

Declining speedy db-spam deletion; article has been around for 2 years, admins have worked on it, lots of Google hits. I'll pare back some of the promotionalism. - Dan Dank55 (push to talk) 05:24, 17 March 2009 (UTC)

High school for medical professions

There's more or less consensus that articles on schools deserve at least a 5-day discussion; declining speedy db-spam deletion; taking to AfD. - Dan Dank55 (push to talk) 05:33, 17 March 2009 (UTC)

I thought it was only A7 that didn't apply to Schools. ViperSnake151 12:05, 17 March 2009 (UTC)

It's true that A7 (db-notability) doesn't apply to schools. But read WP:OUTCOMES#Education; so far, when I've asked about speedy-deleting schools, other admins have said that they read that the same way ... it's hard to tell in advance whether people will decide to keep or delete a given school, so it's better to have the 5-day discussion than to try to make the call yourself. There are probably exceptions ... certainly copyvios should be speedied, and I think if the school article comes off as some kind of really slick sales pitch, and I can't find evidence of notability on Google, I'd probably be willing to delete as spam. - Dan Dank55 (push to talk) 14:16, 17 March 2009 (UTC)

Deep Secret

Declining speedy db-spam deletion; article has been around 1.5 years, and it's not promotional, but there are WP:WAF concerns, and no references. Taking to AfD. - Dan Dank55 (push to talk) 05:49, 17 March 2009 (UTC)

Corvus Belli

Declining speedy; article has been around 2 years, tone not overly promotional. Lots of ghits but no refs. Adding {{notability}}. - Dan Dank55 (push to talk) 06:01, 17 March 2009 (UTC)

Gilbert Classical Academy

I read Wikipedia:OUTCOMES#Education to say that decisions on schools are hard and they shouldn't be speedied, so removing from db-spam queue and taking to AfD. - Dan Dank55 (push to talk) 06:54, 17 March 2009 (UTC)

Thanks. Sorry, not aware that education establishments are not normally speedied. Have given it a weak keep as amended on AFD.--Dmol (talk) 07:10, 17 March 2009 (UTC)

That's what I'm generally hearing, although there are probably exceptions. - Dan Dank55 (push to talk) 07:13, 17 March 2009 (UTC)

Chinacache

I could only find one paragraph that was a copyvio at the given url, or any of the menu options from that page. I deleted the copyvio paragraph and declined the speedy. - Dan Dank55 (push to talk) 07:21, 17 March 2009 (UTC)

Deletion of Wallyboard

Hey, I noticed that you deleted Wallyboard under A7. I was under the impression that A7 couldn't be used for a product. I therefore tagged it G11. Is my understanding incorrect? decltype (talk) 07:57, 17 March 2009 (UTC)

Absolutely right. I couldn't sleep last night, so I was doing CSD work at 3 a.m. ... not going to do that again, I see I also AfD'd an article without checking for notability, too. Gah! - Dan Dank55 (push to talk) 14:10, 17 March 2009 (UTC)

Admin nomination

First, I am not this person, nor has this person contacted me about this matter.

I don't know if this is proper protocol for these things, so if this is out of line, I apologize in advance.

I am coming to you with this as, among the more active admins here (and your dealings with me in the past), you have shown sound judgment, courtesy, and fairness, along with what I perceive to be an inclusionist attitude. I know that under the guidelines, anyone can nominate someone for adminship, but the truth is it really needs to come from a respected admin.

I have looked into the history of a particular user, John Z, and have found someone who seems like an excellent candidate for an admin. Specifically:

• Nice percentage of article edits to everything else (as evidenced by his contributions summary)
• A person who people come to for help (as evidenced by his talk page
• A consensus builder (works in various groups)
• Ability to work in controversial topics without pi$$ing people off
• Seemingly respected by his peers (talk page)
• Apparently, no personal attacks or edit wars. The most hostile message I found on his talk page had a reply that at it's worst could be classified as terse.
• Perceived participation in AfD discussions.

I am not providing sources for these claims, as I feel that should you decide to look into this it should be with fresh eyes, and some of these are more along the lines of my perception and "name recognition" from various aspects of wikipedia.

Should you not have the time to investigate, nor find this person to be a good candidate, I will understand. My only personal stake in this is I feel John Z is a thoughtful inclusionist editor, and I believe there need to be more. I will check back here should you respond.

Thank you,

Mike 74.69.39.11 (talk) 16:08, 17 March 2009 (UTC)