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Fritzpoll has found himself in need of sitting down and getting stuck in to his PhD work and a couple of other real-life project and will temporarily halt editing on January 17th, but will find himself back on Wikipedia in mid-February. Fritzpoll also apologises for the short notice and for referring to himself in the third person

Flagged Revisions Straw

My apologies, I thought that the trial page was the proposed trial. Switched to support. --Patar knight - ^chat/_{contributions} 13:36, 21 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Glad to hear it - it has been a little difficult at times to figure out what is being proposed. I think that there are misconceptions on both sides of the support/oppose divide! Fritzpoll (talk) 13:38, 21 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

User:Kernow

You should have looked at User talk:Jehochman (re Unblocks) before suggesting that I jumped in too early. Deb (talk) 17:46, 21 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I did - my comment was to suggest consultation before adjusting the block. You did it the other way around. Fritzpoll (talk) 17:48, 21 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, but his talk page says not to bother consulting him first unless he specifically asks you to. Which I don't think he did. Deb (talk) 17:55, 21 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I just feel that, given it revolved around a sockpuppetry case, it would have been wiser to consult first. Happy to agree to disagree :) Fritzpoll (talk) 18:03, 21 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

are you allowed to delete people's comments to avoid responding to criticism?

this is in regards to your deleting of my comment on Hfarmer's talk page. is there someone else i can take this to? the drama created by this has to end somewhere, and covering it up only perpetuates it. it must be addressed, why prevent this? 69.196.191.177 (talk) 09:19, 22 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Her talkpage - her right to remove. Since she removed it, you may assume she read it Fritzpoll (talk) 16:25, 22 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Fritzpoll, you dealt only (and correctly) with the issue of removal. The other question should probably be addressed. IP editor, if Fritzpoll doesn't have time or otherwise care to respond, you can ask me more specifically on my Talk page. My Talk page is semi-protected, but you can find a link at the top to an unprotected page, User talk:Abd/IP. If you seriously want to address Wikipedia issues, you should probably register an account. It's actually more anonymous than IP editing, which reveals your IP to the whole world. (I don't always read that IP page quickly; my watchlist is huge and needs trimming, and I haven't got a Round Tuit.) I haven't looked at Hfarmer's Talk. --141.154.152.136 (talk) 19:03, 25 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I assume this is you, Abd? I think in this case, it would appear best to let sleeping dogs lie. There were misunderstandings caused by language, it all got out of control, and I see little or no need to reingnite the debate. If either of you has a different problem that you feel I am not addressing, and perhaps are unsure of, please e-mail me at fritzpollwiki@googlemail.com. The contents of any correspondence will be held in confidence where necessary. Fritzpoll (talk) 10:09, 26 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, the IP was me. I use different computers and it seems Wikipedia frequently logs me out, often in the middle of a session. I don't always notice it. Anyway, I wasn't suggesting that there was anything specific for you to do. I was giving the editor an option, someone else to ask the question, i.e., me. Fortunately, the IP talk page was given, so that you and he or she could figure out who was offering to help! In any case, it seems you have done, yourself, more than enough, good work. --Abd (talk) 14:25, 26 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I know, but I am willing to help all sides of this issue come to terms with the problem if they wish for my assistance :) Thanks for leaping in though; as you correctly stated, I am a little inactive at present! My time here seems presently to be spent dealing with FlaggedRevs. Fritzpoll (talk) 14:48, 26 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Well, that's very important. I hope you are on the Right Side.(Trademark registered) --Abd (talk) 00:46, 28 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Haha - who knows?! The Right Side is so relative, unfortunately - I am, however, accused indirectly of being opposed to everything Wikipedia stands for, so it is much like any other reasoned debate in this place! Fritzpoll (talk) 08:04, 28 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

"Wikidrama is the root of all unhappiness on wikipedia". More trouble with Abd or has he now become a saint? Dr. Blofeld ^{White cat} 12:10, 28 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I will go as far to say that Abd is often passionate, often misunderstood, sometimes naive, but always justified in his assessments of situations on-wiki. I think similar things could be said for all of us. I'm currently working on a compromise FlaggedRevs proposal Fritzpoll (talk) 12:13, 28 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Talkpage watchers- help!!

See User:Fritzpoll/BLPFlaggedRevs - can one of your help me format the table to look nice? Fritzpoll (talk) 13:00, 28 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Really? You think people haven't got anything better to do than base their wiki time revolved around your talk page? Dr. Blofeld ^{White cat} 15:59, 28 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

...says the man replying to my message :) Fritzpoll (talk) 16:02, 28 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Well uh actually I had popped in the see how you were doing earlier and checked to see if you had responded as I am doing again. I'd hardly call that "stalking" you. the way you've worded it makes it seme as if you are the first port of call and the first thing people think of when they log in, oh I must see the latest developments on Fritz's page!! "Stalking" is such a negative word to describe your friends on here. Perhaps people would rather you spoke to them and asked them on their talk pages once in a while? Dr. Blofeld ^{White cat} 16:23, 28 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Fair enough - fixed. I will come chat when I am less busy - I shouldn't really be here, but I think FlaggedRevs is too important to miss the discussions. I'm popping in and out between working, although today has been somewhat of a rest day work-wise... Fritzpoll (talk) 16:25, 28 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I'm kidding! Check your email. I;m not editing for a few days on here so perhaps I will be your stalker? Hope you are well! Dr. Blofeld ^{White cat} 16:31, 28 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Lol - got me again Fritzpoll (talk) 16:33, 28 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

In the words of Mr. Ray Davies. Yeah! You Really Got Me, Yeah, you really got me now. You got me so I dont know what Im doin, now. Oh yeah baby, you really got me now, You got me so I cant sleep at night. Shagadelic maaann! Dr. Blofeld ^{White cat} 16:39, 28 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Hello Mr. Admin. Can you please move Faaa to the correct name of Faa'a. It pronounced Fah-hah not Faaaa baaa baaaa black sheep. Comprende? Dr. Blofeld ^{White cat} 12:46, 29 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Done Fritzpoll (talk) 13:51, 29 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks. Have a look at File:Idrijske Krnice.jpg. Now why does Teletubbies spring to mind? God that had to be the most irritating show ever. Remember the good ole days of programmes like Rainbow, Knightmare and T. Bag -now thats what I call classic British childrend TV. You are probably just old enough to remember these? Dr. Blofeld ^{White cat} 16:30, 29 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

How do you *find* those??! Yes, I can remember all of those....fine, fine days. The joys of getting older, eh? Fritzpoll (talk) 07:59, 30 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Yup lol. Hey how are you doing with the Frasier article? Did you hear about the death of Tony Hart? Dr. Blofeld ^{White cat} 13:22, 3 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I did - I was very sad :( Not done a lot lately - work is finally winding down into something resembling normality, so will get to finishing it (and hopefully GA/FA-ing) it soon. How goes your article work? Fritzpoll (talk) 14:22, 3 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Going well, very pleased with some of my recent editions which was information I had not thought possible on here just yet. With my recent work I came across an image of a rather tanned fella, I immediately though of David Dickinson for some reason. mm I wonder why. Scratch scratch chin? Now what would be good would be to organise an auction and see if I can get hold of some cheap as chips Tibetan tanning oils to bronze me wintry skin. What do you think? Actually the eyebrowns and drunken eyes reminds me rather of a Gallagher brother huh? Dr. Blofeld ^{White cat} 20:18, 3 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Re: Previously deleted article: Papa Vs Pretty

Thanks mate. Should I send the new article to you when I've finished development, (that is, before its properly published) or someone else? --WCheckers (talk) 11:33, 1 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I'd suggest dropping me a note on my talkpage when you're done, or on MBisanz's page, and we'll check the article out before you move it back to the article space. Technically though, any admin would do for the check. Best wishes Fritzpoll (talk) 13:35, 1 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Wikipedia:Flagged protection and BLPs

Hi Fritzpoll, would you mind to rename Flagged protection and BLPs to BLP protection, as Flagged protection is specific aimed at semi and full protected articles, and the settings for these articles in the BLP group get an override by BLP protection ? A clear split would be less confusing, cheers Mion (talk) 11:27, 2 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I'm not sure about this. I'm essentially proposing 3 protection levels. 2 of those are governed by the same rules/technical config as Flagged protection, and then I'm proposing Flagged BLPs as a separate option. One of the key things in my proposal is that the two things can run simultaneously, and at the end we can pick out which bits work best. When we straw polled FP, the principle objections were a lack of coverage for BLPs - my proposal suggests running two trials at the same time.

Consequently, since my trial is not simply BLP protection, I would object to a rename. The current name is accurate. Fritzpoll (talk) 11:34, 2 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/GirlFriends (manga)

I disagree with your closing this as a keep. There was no disagreement in this AfD at all over whether it was correctly titled. It is. There is a side discussion on a different, similarly named manga series, but that has nothing really to do with the actual AfD itself, as that would not be the same article. The one actual Keep was for the second series, by an editor who was looking at that secondary discussion, not the actual AfD discussion. I'd like to request you reopen and relist instead. -- Collectonian (talk · contribs) 15:03, 12 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

The discussion here was, I feel, more complex than a simple yes and no. The confusion over titling that I was referring to, and perhaps should have made clear, was later in the AfD when a merge/redirect to a more appropriate Japanese title was referred to - I noted the confusion that you are referring to and weighted it carefully. Regardless, I do not believe there was a consensus to delete, and I do not believe that relisting is appropriate per WP:RELIST. I am therefore unwilling to overturn my close, but point you towards WP:DRV. Sorry I couldn't be more helpful Fritzpoll (talk) 15:15, 12 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Alright...since it was between delete and merge/redirect, I've done the latter. -- Collectonian (talk · contribs) 16:22, 12 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

As I say, the latter is an editorial point, hence why I made no judgement on it. Best wishes, Fritzpoll (talk) 16:37, 12 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

So there needs be no further discussion on it, she can just delete the article, posting a redirect there instead to a page which will not have any of the information preserved? That makes it the same as a delete. Dream Focus (talk) 23:28, 12 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

There was no actual consensus to keep it, only to either delete or merge/redirect. As you already know, a merge of a book to its author means merging basic publication info: year and title, which was done. -- Collectonian (talk · contribs) 23:30, 12 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Personally, I would recommend discussion of this - AfD is an inappropriate forum for redirect/merge discussions such as these, and I am certainly unqualified to proffer an opinion. I note that the actions taken are revertible per WP:BRD, and would recommend discussion. My close was 'not to redirect, however. Fritzpoll (talk) 23:59, 12 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Redirect/Merge is a valid closing option for AfDs, so I'm not sure why you feel that isn't a closing you can make. AfD is an appropriate forum for such a discussion of people feel it is a valid alternative to deletion. Many AfDs close as merge/redirect, including other similar manga series very recently. -- Collectonian (talk · contribs) 00:02, 13 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

To be more precise, I wouldn't feel comfortable closing it that way in this case, since I feel that here it is an editorial matter, not an AfD option. If I'd thought "redirect/merge", I'd have closed it as such. That doesn't prevent it being redirected in the way you've done, I'm just being very clear that I have no strong opinion either way on the matter. Fritzpoll (talk) 00:04, 13 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I don't really see it as an editorial matter, but alrighty. I'll let the redirect stand. -- Collectonian (talk · contribs) 00:12, 13 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Heh - just me being picky, I suspect. The outcome is the same :) Fritzpoll (talk) 00:17, 13 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

As noted before, there is no difference between a merge and a delete with her. The author's page already had the names of all the series listed, and their dates. None of the deleted information will be added there. When the Akane-chan_Overdrive AFD had some voting for merge, she then did a redirect and argued that no writer's page should have even the briefest of summaries. Others posted that a merge vote meant to merge it, and thus got at least a brief mention of the series on that author's page. She stated it wouldn't matter, since it'd be deleted again eventually anyway. So, as an editor, what is your opinion on this? Is there any difference whatsoever between a delete and a merge or redirect? And if there is no difference in this particular case, then shouldn't it have the same requirements to go before an AfD and get a consensus? Because what I'm seeing now is, if she wants an article deleted, then either people vote for it and it gets deleted, or she does it anyway and just puts a redirect in its place. Dream Focus (talk) 04:59, 13 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

The relevant content was already merged[1] and this is per consensus (which also agreed with the original merge on Akane-chan, FYI. -- Collectonian (talk · contribs) 05:06, 13 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Sigh. Can you give me your definition of a delete and a merge? As long as the series has its name and date listed, then it doesn't need anything else to qualify as a merge? Is that it? The page was deleted, not merged. Fritzpoll, would you please give me your interpretation of the wikipedia merge thing? And the consensus on the Akane-Chan Overdrive merge, was that having no infromation but the name and date was NOT a merge, and that some information had to be added. If consensus is to delete, then delete. But don't call it a merge, when you are just deleting. Dream Focus (talk) 05:27, 13 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

A delete is a physical deletion, article is completely gone unless you're an admin. It becomes a redlink and, if deleted via AfD, can be speedily redeleted if someone comes back and tries to create it again. Merge means appropriate content (if any) is moved into the target article and the merged article redirected. If there is no appropriate content to merge (i.e. you don't stick plots in biographies), then its just redirected. Period. And the consensus at Akane-Chan Overdrive was that there should not be plot info in the biography article, thus the original merge was upheld. -- Collectonian (talk · contribs) 05:35, 13 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I simply closed as no consensus to delete - redirecting is not the same as deletion, as the content remains the same. I'm afraid I won't be able to say much more than this, but if my talkpage is a good place for a mediated discussion, feel free to continue :) Fritzpoll (talk) 12:50, 13 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]