User talk:Ss112

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Do It (Nelly Furtado song)

Hi Ss112, I wanna ask if you could possibly take a look at Do It’s page, a user has repeatedly tried to include Janne Suni as a songwriter because Timbaland the producer had plagiarized a line from one of Suni’s songs. From the sources provided on the page regarding the lawsuit they all state it was settled out of court but no where does it state the he was granted songwriting credits on the song… the user who keeps reverting this is someone who’s been on her for almost 20 years. Which I’m sure you can see if you see this message. But I’ve repeatedly told them no source states he was granted credits and they are still not understanding. What would you recommend doing? I’ve tried talking to them and they still are not listening. I’m about to reach out to an admin because it’s getting very out of hand now. Hopefully it’s okay that I reached out to you, I know you’re very smart with music article. Pillowdelight (talk) 17:20, 2 November 2021 (UTC)

@Pillowdelight: I've left a note on their talk page. I agree—unless the settlement of a court case was that Suni or whomever was found to be "plagiarised" from should be credited, we should not credit them in the infobox. I would say your best bet after this is to go to an admin if they revert again. I don't even think in this case that citing Suni's official site(?) on the article qualifies as a reliable source so would support removing it until we have one. Suni saying "I was ripped off" is certainly contentious unless there's media reporting on it. Ss112 23:19, 2 November 2021 (UTC)

Exactly, thank you! Honestly if you don’t mind me asking is there any admins you could recommend that are familiar with music articles? I’m still fairly new on here and it seems like every admin I contact on here all really don’t do much when I ask compared to others who have been on here for 10+ years…Pillowdelight (talk) 23:27, 2 November 2021 (UTC)

@Pillowdelight: Sergecross73 might help you out. Ss112 23:36, 2 November 2021 (UTC)

If you don’t mind me asking, can you take a look at Paris there is some source under Certifications of the album going platinum in Russia with sales of 20,000 but is the source accurate? Also, the release date as well, iTunes and Spotify list it as being released on August 14, 2006. But there’s a source coming from TMZ that states she partnered with AOL to release her album on their streaming platform a week early, but physical CD’s were released on the 22nd of August. So wouldn’t it be appropriate to change the release date to August 14 in the box?Pillowdelight (talk) 00:21, 3 November 2021 (UTC)

@Pillowdelight: In this case, I think the earliest release date is a matter of debate. We could put August 14, or editors might prefer to put the full commercial release date (when it was released to the wider public). I'm not sure if AOL Music was a subscription service or not, which, if it was, might qualify it as a commercial release date. As for the Russian certification, it looks legitimate. The source appears to be a document from Izvestia. Ss112 01:20, 3 November 2021 (UTC)

Just a heads up that user has once again reverted the edit on Do It, they again have failed to provide a single source. They also replied back to you stating “reliable sources are given” but none are given. I don’t understand why a user who’s been on here for almost 20 years with almost 50K edits is acting as if they’re new around here. Pillowdelight (talk) 08:07, 3 November 2021 (UTC)

@Pillowdelight: I've reverted them, but this "heads up" is now making it sound like you want me to argue with this user for you and go to an admin for you. You said you would go to an admin, and I recommended you one. I'm not interested in getting involved beyond telling this user they're in the wrong and warning them. Just tell Sergecross73 about it on his talk page. I don't see any reliable sources saying Suni is now a songwriter, and this user is edit warring. Ss112 08:08, 3 November 2021 (UTC)

@Ss112: This is such a random question, but are singles released from bonus tracks and deluxe editions able to be part of the Singles box on album pages? Such as Pink Friday, Super Bass & Girls Fall Like Dominoes came from the bonus track edition. I’m just trying to make sure I’m falling it correctly because I did remove them and left a note not to add them. Per Template:Infobox album — “Do not include singles that were added as bonus tracks on a re-release of an album.“ but the “re-release” word is throwing me off a bit, I’m not sure if a deluxe edition & bonus track is considered a “re-release” Pillowdelight (talk) 08:54, 8 November 2021 (UTC)

@Pillowdelight: "Re-release" means if the album was reissued say, months or a year later with extra tracks. If a deluxe edition was released at the same time as the standard edition, we would generally include singles released from that in the singles template. Two editions of the same album released around or even on the same day are definitely not re-releases. So if "Super Bass" was released on a deluxe edition released around or at the same time as the standard edition, then I would say we should include it in the infobox. (I also wouldn't say an album being released in say, Japan with extra tracks not on any edition of the album released in other countries counts as a re-release, as long as it's the first time the album was released in that country. Like, we wouldn't say an album is a "re-release" if it's the first time it's been released in Japan.) Ss112 09:15, 8 November 2021 (UTC)

Okay, gotcha. I just reverted it. I’m not too sure when the deluxe edition was released. I am so sorry by the way I just saw your note that says not to bug you for questions. Pillowdelight (talk) 09:22, 8 November 2021 (UTC)

RfC

A RfC has begun at WT:ALBUM regarding the year-end or decade-end tables should be cut down. Please add your comments there if interested. TheAmazingPeanuts (talk) 11:04, 5 November 2021 (UTC)

Iggy Pop chart help

Hi Ss112! I was wondering if you could help me out in adding chart tables to Iggy Pop's albums? I noticed on his discography page that he's had quite a bit of chart success over the years yet this isn't reflected in the majority of the album pages. I have already taken care of The Idiot (album) and Lust for Life (Iggy Pop album) and am currently working on Blah-Blah-Blah (Iggy Pop album) but hoping you could help me out with the others? If not it's all good. Thanks! – zmbro _(talk) 18:56, 10 November 2021 (UTC)

How many Films?

Howdy. I wonder how many 'socks' Filmomusico has? IMHO, this isn't a WP:CIR situation. But rather an individual who's bleeping around with the rest of us. GoodDay (talk) 02:48, 17 November 2021 (UTC)

@GoodDay: The only ones I'm aware of are their main account and MollyPollyRolly. I'm not too sure if Oshwah or anybody else has come across any more they've tied to Filmomusico, but there's almost certainly more. At any rate the disruptive edits on their main account (changing infobox formatting, removing alt= and empty parameters, adding unsourced genres, being antagonistic and acting in a negotiating/WP:IDIDNTHEARTHAT manner even to the blocking admin, in addition to having multiple undeclared accounts) should be enough screwing around that they be blocked indefinitely. Ss112 02:55, 17 November 2021 (UTC)

Indeed, it's time for him to be escorted out the door. GoodDay (talk) 03:00, 17 November 2021 (UTC)