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List of Nazi monuments in Canada

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Reposting a malformed AfD request, see below. 162 etc. (talk) 20:40, 23 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

It’s a useless list containing only 3 items, and a POV pusher. I suggest to merge it to the article Canadian war memorials. The three items should get added to the said article, and this page should become a redirect. -🇺🇦Слава🇺🇦Україні🇺🇦Героям🇺🇦Слава🇺🇦(talk)🇺🇦 20:26, 23 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

But those aren’t Canadian War memorials. - GizzyCatBella🍁 20:35, 23 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]
- @Slava Ukraini Heroyam Slava 123 so you propose to merge or delete? GizzyCatBella🍁 20:49, 23 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  - Merge to a more suitable list, change the tile, or delete. -🇺🇦Слава🇺🇦Україні🇺🇦Героям🇺🇦Слава🇺🇦(talk)🇺🇦 20:51, 23 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. This is a notable topic that satisfied WP:GNG and also WP:NLIST. Of course it's a difficult topic, and it's a topic that has indeed be something where misinformation is pushed, but we should not avoid difficult topics. This has been discussed extensively at Talk:List_of_Nazi_monuments_in_Canada but we have not reached consensus, discussion has included if the title is best, and also deletion and also merging.

We should keep this due to the significant coverage in reliable sources. Examples:

I note the points made on the talk page about if it is fair to call these monuments to Nazis and Nazi collaborators, so for the avoidance of doubt:

Two of these are monuments to the 14th Waffen Grenadier Division of the SS (1st Galician). Yes indeed, the SS, a Nazi organisation
One of these is a monument to Roman Shukhevych, his collaboration with Nazis is well document on his page.

WP:NLIST is satisfied as many sources deal with these collectively, some as mentioned above, others clearly do, I don't think I need to list them.

In reply to the POV pushing that is being accused, what is the point of view that is being pushed? Is it that these are Nazi memorials? That is very well documented in reliable sources. I see why this is a difficult topic and at a difficult time, I am sympathetic, but there is no original research happening here. Canada has Nazi memorials and it's hitting the news, being a notable topic, and an appropriate one for Wikipedia. CT55555 (talk) 20:45, 23 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

- @CT55555:, Have you read [https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/edmonton/jewish-groups-call-for-removal-of-vandalized-ukrainian-wwii-memorial-1.6139297 this article? Calling them Nazi monuments is oversimplified and a needless POV pusher. -🇺🇦Слава🇺🇦Україні🇺🇦Героям🇺🇦Слава🇺🇦(talk)🇺🇦 20:53, 23 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Delete. This "list" only has three entries (two of which have Wikipedia articles), and I agree with the proposer that the title is needlessly NPOV. 162 etc. (talk) 20:50, 23 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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 :[[WP:NLIST]] is satisfied as many sources deal with these collectively, some as mentioned above, others clearly do, I don't think I need to list them.
 :In reply to the POV pushing that is being accused, what is the point of view that is being pushed? Is it that these are Nazi memorials? That is very well documented in reliable sources. I see why this is a difficult topic and at a difficult time, I am sympathetic, but there is no original research happening here. Canada has Nazi memorials and it's hitting the news, being a notable topic, and an appropriate one for Wikipedia. [[User:CT55555|CT55555]] ([[User talk:CT55555|talk]]) 20:45, 23 November 2022 (UTC)
+**{{ping|CT55555}}, Have you read [https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/edmonton/jewish-groups-call-for-removal-of-vandalized-ukrainian-wwii-memorial-1.6139297 this article? Calling them Nazi monuments is oversimplified and a needless POV pusher. -<span style="background:yellow;">[[User:Slava Ukraini Heroyam Slava 123|🇺🇦<span style="color:blue;">Слава🇺🇦Україні</span>🇺🇦<span style="color:blue;">Героям🇺🇦Слава🇺🇦</span>]]([[User talk:Slava Ukraini Heroyam Slava 123|talk]])🇺🇦</span> 20:53, 23 November 2022 (UTC)
 *'''Delete'''.  This "list" only has three entries (two of which have Wikipedia articles), and I agree with the proposer that the title is needlessly NPOV. [[User:162 etc.|162 etc.]] ([[User talk:162 etc.|talk]]) 20:50, 23 November 2022 (UTC)