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*:'''Comment''' With respect to [[WP:BKD]], it is certainly not the case that a derivative article about a thing from a self-evidently notable book or series is notable just by association. There needs to be significant coverage about the setting from reliable sources, and that isn't in the article. That the citations allude to a ''Wheel of Time Companion'' is a good indication there may be lively commentary about the ''Wheel of Time'' series out there. I agree a [[WP:BEFORE]] is necessary here before assessing whether to keep or redirect the article. [[User:Vrxces|ＶＲＸＣＥＳ]] ([[User talk:Vrxces|talk]]) 03:01, 20 December 2023 (UTC) |
*:'''Comment''' With respect to [[WP:BKD]], it is certainly not the case that a derivative article about a thing from a self-evidently notable book or series is notable just by association. There needs to be significant coverage about the setting from reliable sources, and that isn't in the article. That the citations allude to a ''Wheel of Time Companion'' is a good indication there may be lively commentary about the ''Wheel of Time'' series out there. I agree a [[WP:BEFORE]] is necessary here before assessing whether to keep or redirect the article. [[User:Vrxces|ＶＲＸＣＥＳ]] ([[User talk:Vrxces|talk]]) 03:01, 20 December 2023 (UTC) |
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*::Again, the topic of "The World of the Wheel" is "The Wheel of Time" franchise, much like the topic of a "list of X" is "X". This is a nuanced thing, so I don't fault people for getting it, but the title of an article is not always the topic for which notability must be established. As you note, there appear to be multiple dead tree sources addressing this fictional world. I haven't read any of them, or the series itself, so I'm commenting from a place of policy understanding but topic ignorance. [[User:Jclemens|Jclemens]] ([[User talk:Jclemens|talk]]) 03:41, 20 December 2023 (UTC) |
*::Again, the topic of "The World of the Wheel" is "The Wheel of Time" franchise, much like the topic of a "list of X" is "X". This is a nuanced thing, so I don't fault people for getting it, but the title of an article is not always the topic for which notability must be established. As you note, there appear to be multiple dead tree sources addressing this fictional world. I haven't read any of them, or the series itself, so I'm commenting from a place of policy understanding but topic ignorance. [[User:Jclemens|Jclemens]] ([[User talk:Jclemens|talk]]) 03:41, 20 December 2023 (UTC) |
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*Here's a piece on Tor.com (which in the past has been treated as reliable, and considered independent of the book publisher) that discusses the subject holistically: [https://www.tor.com/2020/04/30/why-doesnt-randland-have-an-actual-name/]. There are some promising academic works out there but I haven't had a chance to review them yet. —[[User:Siroxo|siro]][[User talk:Siroxo|''χ'']][[Special:Contributions/Siroxo|o]] 03:44, 20 December 2023 (UTC) |
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Most of the article is written in-universe. Sources do not show significant coverage of this topic. Z1720 (talk) 05:46, 19 December 2023 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Literature and Television. Z1720 (talk) 05:46, 19 December 2023 (UTC)
- Redirect to The Wheel of Time. I've been working on making the World of the Wheel article irrelevant by improving The Wheel of Time and diverting redirects, and will continue to do so. There is some valuable info here but it can be incorporated elsewhere with sources. This article was apparently created by a now-blocked editor trying to mimic World of A Song of Ice and Fire but not committed enough to actually source it.— TAnthonyTalk 18:04, 19 December 2023 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Fictional elements-related deletion discussions. WCQuidditch ☎ ✎ 20:34, 19 December 2023 (UTC)
- Keep while the title may be a bit atypical, this is essentially a "World/universe of the Wheel of Time" article, which may well pass muster. I don't see a BEFORE, and while I don't want to in any way dis what TAnthony has been doing, the decision to have such an article or not, per franchise, tends to be an editorial decision rather than a policy mandate. (Oh, and GNG is met because the topic is "The Wheel of Time" which is clearly notable) Jclemens (talk) 00:08, 20 December 2023 (UTC)
- Comment With respect to WP:BKD, it is certainly not the case that a derivative article about a thing from a self-evidently notable book or series is notable just by association. There needs to be significant coverage about the setting from reliable sources, and that isn't in the article. That the citations allude to a Wheel of Time Companion is a good indication there may be lively commentary about the Wheel of Time series out there. I agree a WP:BEFORE is necessary here before assessing whether to keep or redirect the article. ＶＲＸＣＥＳ (talk) 03:01, 20 December 2023 (UTC)
- Again, the topic of "The World of the Wheel" is "The Wheel of Time" franchise, much like the topic of a "list of X" is "X". This is a nuanced thing, so I don't fault people for getting it, but the title of an article is not always the topic for which notability must be established. As you note, there appear to be multiple dead tree sources addressing this fictional world. I haven't read any of them, or the series itself, so I'm commenting from a place of policy understanding but topic ignorance. Jclemens (talk) 03:41, 20 December 2023 (UTC)
- Comment With respect to WP:BKD, it is certainly not the case that a derivative article about a thing from a self-evidently notable book or series is notable just by association. There needs to be significant coverage about the setting from reliable sources, and that isn't in the article. That the citations allude to a Wheel of Time Companion is a good indication there may be lively commentary about the Wheel of Time series out there. I agree a WP:BEFORE is necessary here before assessing whether to keep or redirect the article. ＶＲＸＣＥＳ (talk) 03:01, 20 December 2023 (UTC)
- Here's a piece on Tor.com (which in the past has been treated as reliable, and considered independent of the book publisher) that discusses the subject holistically: [1]. There are some promising academic works out there but I haven't had a chance to review them yet. —siroχo 03:44, 20 December 2023 (UTC)