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Feels entirely like WP:NEO. Half the usage section is just dedicated to Elon Musk (at the time of AFD nomination).

Look I understand Go woke, go broke exists, but that feels like WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS. Is every popular iteration of a phrase invoking the ideas of wokeness going to have its own article?

According to the article, "Vanity Fair has titled whole sections of stories under the "Woke Mind Virus" label." This isn't actually a label that is selectable/catagorized/tagged like "politics", but a custom label for one article.

I do not doubt the phrase's usage in popular media and by influential people, but it is essentially the same thing as woke. I could go on, but I think this can be deleted and redirected to woke. Alternatively, this content can be merged into woke as its own section with the criticism. -- Classicwiki (talk) If you reply here, please ping me. 01:53, 26 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Language, Journalism, News media, Philosophy, Conservatism, Discrimination, History, and Politics. Classicwiki (talk) If you reply here, please ping me. 01:53, 26 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep, since WP:NEO is cited, let us see what it says, Articles on neologisms that have little or no usage in reliable sources are commonly deleted, but in this case this phrase is very widely cited across an enormous variety of reliable sources. The phrase probably should also be mentioned at the woke article and other mentions should be added and included, but a page for Woke Mind Virus itself makes sense given the sources as broad and significant as they are. Iljhgtn (talk) 02:27, 26 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Iljhgtn, yes it is popular term, this is already addressed. WP:NEO also says, Some neologisms can be in frequent use, and it may be possible to pull together many facts about a particular term and show evidence of its usage on the Internet or in larger society. This is not in question. I do not doubt it will be utilized in large portions of media and scholarly works. Until it is shown to be its own distinct concept, it is essentially a branch term used to criticize wokeness. There is a criticism section in woke that this neologism can direct to in my opinion. Currently, Anti-woke redirects to woke. Anti-woke is an older term than woke mind virus and used it much more media/scholarly works. WMV is just a substitute term for being against wokeness (or anti-woke). Alternatively, I think a separate article that incorporates reliable secondary sources say about the term or concept, not just sources that use the term titled something along the lines of "Criticisms of woke/wokeness" or even "anti-woke" could also be appropriate, where WMV redirects to. I do not see the point of a standalone article about Woke Mind Virus. -- Classicwiki (talk) If you reply here, please ping me. 02:57, 26 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete or merge/redirect no evidence that this neologism deserves a stand-alone wikipedia article. (t · c) buidhe 07:39, 26 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep. As a neologism, there are numerous treatments in secondary sources (see Isaacson, Ali, Krugman, McKeown and Wright, etc.). Dclemens1971 (talk) 15:32, 26 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep: Passes WP:NEO and has coverage by reliable sources. BlakeIsHereStudios (talk | contributions) 16:04, 26 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Selectively merge and redirect to woke. There's no separate subject here -- it's the same "woke" pejorative discussed in that article. — Rhododendrites ^talk \\ 16:19, 26 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Weak Redirect, maybe i'm just biased because this is an inherently silly sounding phrase, but I don't see how it differentiates from the term "Woke" so a redirect there would be optimal. Samoht27 (talk) 16:50, 26 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Merge/redirect to Woke, it's just a slight variation of the exact same thing. Di (they-them) (talk) 16:58, 26 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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 :'''Keep''', since [[WP:NEO]] is cited, let us see what it says, {{tq|Articles on neologisms that have little or no usage in reliable sources are commonly deleted}}, but in this case this phrase is very widely cited across an enormous variety of reliable sources. The phrase probably should also be mentioned at the [[woke]] article and other mentions should be added and included, but a page for [[Woke Mind Virus]] itself makes sense given the sources as broad and significant as they are. [[User:Iljhgtn|Iljhgtn]] ([[User talk:Iljhgtn|talk]]) 02:27, 26 April 2024 (UTC)
 ::@[[User:Iljhgtn|Iljhgtn]], yes it is popular term, this is already addressed. [[WP:NEO]] also says, {{tq|Some neologisms can be in frequent use, and it may be possible to pull together many facts about a particular term and show evidence of its usage on the Internet or in larger society.}} This is not in question. I do not doubt it will be utilized in large portions of media and scholarly works. Until it is shown to be its own distinct concept, it is essentially a branch term used to criticize [[wokeness]]. There is a criticism section in woke that this neologism can direct to in my opinion. Currently, [[Anti-woke]] redirects to woke. Anti-woke is an older term than woke mind virus and used it much more media/scholarly works. WMV is just a substitute term for being against wokeness (or anti-woke). Alternatively, I think a separate article that incorporates {{tq|reliable [[Wikipedia:No original research#Primary, secondary and tertiary sources|secondary sources]] say ''about'' the term or concept, not just sources that ''use'' the term}} titled something along the lines of "Criticisms of woke/wokeness" or even "anti-woke" could also be appropriate, where WMV redirects to. I do not see the point of a standalone article about Woke Mind Virus. -- [[User:Classicwiki|Classicwiki]] ([[User talk:Classicwiki|talk]])<span style="font-size:85%;">&nbsp;If you reply here, please [[WP:ECHO|ping me]].</span> 02:57, 26 April 2024 (UTC)
-*'''Delete''' no evidence that this neologism deserves a stand-alone wikipedia article. ([[User talk:Buidhe|t]] &#183; [[Special:Contributions/Buidhe|c]]) '''[[User:buidhe|<span style="color: black">buidhe</span>]]''' 07:39, 26 April 2024 (UTC)
+*'''Delete or merge/redirect''' no evidence that this neologism deserves a stand-alone wikipedia article. ([[User talk:Buidhe|t]] &#183; [[Special:Contributions/Buidhe|c]]) '''[[User:buidhe|<span style="color: black">buidhe</span>]]''' 07:39, 26 April 2024 (UTC)
 *'''Keep'''. As a neologism, there are numerous treatments in secondary sources (see [https://www.google.com/books/edition/Elon_Musk/HjyvEAAAQBAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1&dq=%22woke+mind+virus%22&pg=PT308&printsec=frontcover Isaacson], [https://www.google.com/books/edition/The_Conscious_Cultural_Worker/lCH-EAAAQBAJ?hl=en&gbpv=0 Ali], [https://go.gale.com/ps/i.do?p=AONE&sw=w&issn=&v=2.1&it=r&id=GALE%7CA751279294&sid=googleScholar&linkaccess=abs&userGroupName=nysl_ca_arg&aty=ip Krugman], [https://www.torrossa.com/en/resources/an/5730588#page=40 McKeown and Wright], etc.). [[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]] ([[User talk:Dclemens1971|talk]]) 15:32, 26 April 2024 (UTC)