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NEW NOMINATIONS

Category:Fam-Lay

This is a category for a minor rapper. It has existed for over a month, and the only article it contains is the one about the rapper. --musicpvm 05:25, 14 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Delete per nom. Osomec 09:36, 14 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Wikipedians with an age

All of the subcategories of Category:Wikipedians with an age were deleted last month, leaving only the parent category and a joke subcategory. Delete them both to discourage recreation of this ill-advised series of categories. - EurekaLott 04:29, 14 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Delete per nom. Joke userboxes are fine, but they should not be made into categories. --musicpvm 04:46, 14 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

More demonyms

The following should be renamed per previous discussions.

--musicpvm 03:29, 14 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Against - There is a difference between people from a certain place and denizens. For instance, many of the Milwaukeeans may not have been born in the city but played a significant role in its development and had were likewise impacted by the community. Sulfur 03:52, 14 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Also against - "People from X" place de-characterizes each city. --KHill-LTown 04:23, 14 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Comment, all of these categories are in Category:People by American city so there is absolutely no reason they should be exceptions to the naming convention used by the 400 other subcategories. I don't see how somebody can significantly contribute to a city without having lived a portion of their life in the city. And if they have lived a portion of their life in a city (even if they were not born in it), it is not incorrect to say "People from". Some of these demonyms of the smaller cities are also extremely ambiguous. If you think every one of the subcategories in Category:People by American city should be renamed to ambiguous demonyms, then propose a mass renaming of all 463 categories, but it makes no sense for these 50 random categories to be inconsistent with the others. --musicpvm 04:44, 14 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Support. While Las Vegans is used, I never heard Newburghians in all of my years living up there. If Newarkers was used, it was not a term in common usage. So one wonders how valid some of these demonyms are. In any case, 'People from' always works and since most categories already use this I see no reason not to change to the more common form. One critical factor for an encylopedia is how it treats details in a consistant manner. Let's not lose sight of what this decision is a part of. Vegaswikian 04:59, 14 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]
What's with adding state name disambiguations to some of the category names? How many Schenectadies and Ypsilantis and Spokanes are there? - EurekaLott 05:02, 14 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]
- I don't mind removing the state from the three you mentioned, but I thought that without the state name, they would be amibiguous (not because there are other cities with the same name but because they are not major U.S. cities and most people may be unaware of where they are located). --musicpvm 05:29, 14 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose - per Sulfur. -Nogood 05:56, 14 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Strong support – most of these take me a second to figure out, and I am very familiar with U.S. geography. Most of these terms don't appear in their city's articles or anywhere else on Wikipedia, and their use on categories is obstructive. I greatly prefer names that are instantly recognizable when browsing, and predictable, so that they can be found through search or by typing the URL directly. ×Meegs 09:08, 14 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Support all. Little Rockers. Haha. --*kate speak 09:15, 14 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Support all per nom. Ease of use should be the first priority. Osomec 09:37, 14 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

tax evaders

It only makes sense to have these categories when people are actually convicted for this. So I suggest renaming them to include that as such. Intangible 03:10, 14 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose all -- all the criminal categories require convictions, including murderers. Just make a note on the category. --William Allen Simpson 03:24, 14 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose all As a general rule the categories do not require convictions. It is anachronistic to emphasis due process as in most times and places precious little due process has occurred. It also ignores deaths before trial and the articles about unidentified criminals. As tax evasion is a matter between citizen and state, perhaps the concept of "unconvicted tax evader" is less meaningful than "unconvicted murderer", but the current form should remain for consistency. Osomec 09:41, 14 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

unhyphenated-American

Rename -- There are 50 with hyphen and 46 without. The current by country standard is with hyphen for -Americans --William Allen Simpson 17:38, 13 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose all There is no such standard and these do not meet any of the speedy renaming criteria. Chicheley 21:21, 13 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Moved from speedy --William Allen Simpson 02:55, 14 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]
- comment -- Apparently, Chicheley, you haven't been paying attention.
  1. Over the past few months at CfD, we've consistently named all categories "ethnic-country" with a hyphen, and "country ethnic" with a space, and after extensive discussion, adopted a POLICY: Wikipedia:Naming conventions (categories)#Heritage.
  2. Speedy renaming of a single hyphen is according to Wikipedia:Category deletion policy#Speedy criteria, which is also POLICY: 4. Non-conformance with "by country" categorization conventions specified at Wikipedia:Naming conventions (categories). These are "by country" categories.
  --William Allen Simpson 03:14, 14 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  - I actually support these renamings, but if you had been paying attention you would know that it is still controversial and I strongly disagree that it is eligible for speedy. This isn't the first time you have pushed procedure to the utmost in an attempt to support your own preference. Chicheley 09:49, 14 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]
~~Move and category redirect all (both hyphenated and unhyphenated) to Category:Fooian-American people since top category is Category:American people, to which Category:Americans {{category redirect}}s.~~ Sorry, William; I have read Wikipedia:Naming conventions (categories)#Heritage again more carefully, I now support the nominated renames/redirects according to that convention. To clarify, are we categorising Fooian-Americans as American nationals who have a self-identified Fooian heritage, and Fooian Americans as Fooian nationals with a self-identified American heritage? --RobertG ♬ talk 09:14, 14 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment. Since some of these categories have been swapped already, I shan't run the category redirect bot again on them until this one reaches a consensus. --RobertG ♬ talk 08:40, 14 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Buckwheat Boys songs

One-article category Stev0 07:35, 14 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose. Like category:Albums by artist, category:Songs by artist doesn't care how many articles the subcategory has. All such songs get one of these categories, even Peanut Butter Jelly Time.--Mike Selinker 04:16, 14 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

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 **#Speedy renaming of a single hyphen is according to [[Wikipedia:Category deletion policy#Speedy criteria]], which is also POLICY: ''4. Non-conformance with "by country" categorization conventions specified at [[Wikipedia:Naming conventions (categories)]].''  These are "by country" categories.
 **:--[[User:William Allen Simpson|William Allen Simpson]] 03:14, 14 July 2006 (UTC)
+***I actually '''support''' these renamings, but if ''you'' had been paying attention you would know that it is still controversial and I strongly disagree that it is eligible for speedy. This isn't the first time you have pushed procedure to the utmost in an attempt to support your own preference. [[User:Chicheley|Chicheley]] 09:49, 14 July 2006 (UTC)
 *<s>Move and category redirect all (both hyphenated and unhyphenated) to [[:Category:Fooian-American people]] since top category is [[:Category:American people]], to which [[:Category:Americans]] {{[[Template:category redirect|category redirect]]}}s.</s>  Sorry, William; I have read [[Wikipedia:Naming conventions (categories)#Heritage]] again more carefully, I now '''support the nominated renames/redirects''' according to that convention.  To clarify, are we categorising ''Fooian-Americans'' as American nationals who have a self-identified Fooian heritage, and ''Fooian Americans'' as Fooian nationals with a self-identified American heritage?  --[[User:RobertG|RobertG]] &#9836; [[User talk:RobertG|talk]] 09:14, 14 July 2006 (UTC)
 **'''Comment'''.  Since some of these categories have been swapped already, I shan't run the category redirect bot again on them until this one reaches a consensus.  --[[User:RobertG|RobertG]] &#9836; [[User talk:RobertG|talk]] 08:40, 14 July 2006 (UTC)