Wikipedia:Deletion review/Log/2021 January 12
12 January 2021
Ripple Music
After weeks of AfD discussion and re-opening, the company's notability was not sufficiently established. Despite this, the discussion was closed with a "Keep" result by a non-administrator. Law15outof48 (talk) 18:51, 12 January 2021 (UTC)
- Overturn. After weeks of discussion on the AfD page and being re-opened once, the company's notability failed to be established per WP:ORIGCRIT. WP:GNG: the article should be deleted. Law15outof48 (talk) 19:05, 12 January 2021 (UTC)
- Overturn (reopen). This should never have been closed by a non-admin. Several of the keep votes look potentially suspect. Espresso Addict (talk) 19:09, 12 January 2021 (UTC)
- Overturn - If I had !voted, I may have voted keep, there are claims the label has a significant influence on a music genre. But I haven't verified those claims. All that is beside the point, I do not see a consensus for "keep", and any such close would need an good explanation, of which there is none. 78.26 (spin me / revolutions) 20:49, 12 January 2021 (UTC)
- Comment I saw the opened discussion that was 8 days older. I counted the the keep votes (4) and delete votes (1) and hence closed the discussion as keep due to the leading number of keep votes. Thank you. Empire AS Talk! 20:52, 12 January 2021 (UTC)
- WP:VOTE: "most decisions on Wikipedia are made on the basis of consensus, not on vote-counting or majority rule." Secondly, the discussion actually had 4 'delete's and 5 'keep's (the 6th 'keep' was from someone who voted twice). You treated the discussion as a vote, tallied the votes incorrectly, and closed the discussion with a 'Keep' result, all with zero explanation. That's not how this works. Law15outof48 (talk) 21:07, 12 January 2021 (UTC)
- Relist Four of those participating don't have many edits. The second edit one ever made was to nominate the article for deletion https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/Law15outof48 Anyway this non-admin closure should not have been done since people disagree on the outcome. The rules for non-admin closure should be more clear, just flat out say "you can't do this unless everyone but the nominator says to keep it". Only one blue link in the list of bands with anything released by this label so probably not notable. If someone wanted to contact them on their official website and ask if they got any coverage in any legitimate media, that might help find something to see if they pass the general notability guidelines. Dream Focus 22:36, 12 January 2021 (UTC)
- Relist as a bad non-admin closure. The rules on non-administrative closures are incomprehensible, and should be reworked. Maybe the advice to non-admins who want to be useful on deletion discussions would be to clarify that non-admins should be welcome to do the Relisting. Robert McClenon (talk) 00:39, 13 January 2021 (UTC)
- Comment Hi folks, I voted twice on the Ripple page -- not intentionally trying to mess with the process, didn't realize each Keep was a "vote." Then when I saw the message to strike though one of them, there was already a direction not to further edit that page. I've written and edited a few articles in the past but this is my first time participating in a deletion discussion. Thanks for your patience! Hopefully people can look at the big picture and determine some clearer guidelines for record label notability as part of Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Record Labels. Glad to see the Ripple page remains, as a consensus to delete has not been established. Jessiemay1984 (talk) 02:18, 13 January 2021 (UTC)
EFounders
Minimal participation with 1 nomination, 1 lean delete, 2 keeps. Closed as keep. Closer stated they closed based on a headcount and has since realized closing it as keep was not very accurate.
Closer lacks technical capacity (despite some instructions offered) to relist or close as non-consensus. Best, Barkeep49 (talk) 16:30, 12 January 2021 (UTC)
- It says "(non-admin closure)". I don't think they can do that unless everyone agrees. The "leaning delete" person didn't bold their vote or specifically say delete. Leaning sounds like "considering" which in context of them stating they were unsure about things, makes sense. Need to ask them to clarify their vote. If you get an administrator to close this it'll just be "no consensus" more likely than not. Dream Focus 17:09, 12 January 2021 (UTC)
- endorse Not a great discussion but I think most people would have closed it that way. NC would also probably be within discretion. Hobit (talk) 17:44, 12 January 2021 (UTC)
- A three or four person discussion where there isn't a clear consensus doesn't strike me as something where most people would have closed that way - or at least I wouldn't if I were closing it. As noted above in response to DF, I do think this is a NC on both consensus and due to a lack of participation. Best, Barkeep49 (talk) 17:48, 12 January 2021 (UTC)
- No consensus is the same as keep, the article is not deleted. So I don't see why you wish to bring the case here. The outcome will be the same. Dream Focus 17:51, 12 January 2021 (UTC)
- A three or four person discussion where there isn't a clear consensus doesn't strike me as something where most people would have closed that way - or at least I wouldn't if I were closing it. As noted above in response to DF, I do think this is a NC on both consensus and due to a lack of participation. Best, Barkeep49 (talk) 17:48, 12 January 2021 (UTC)
Akhil Bharatiya Kshatriya Mahasabha
The page was deleted even though there were third party independent sources cited It is a more than century old organization and certainly worth encyopedic Jethwarp (talk) 16:44, 12 January 2021 (UTC)