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**I do not agree with this image's supposed non significance. I found it (and other photos of Anne Frank in the article) crucial to my overall understanding. --128.195.54.180 |
**I do not agree with this image's supposed non significance. I found it (and other photos of Anne Frank in the article) crucial to my overall understanding. --128.195.54.180 |
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***There is no purpose of use description that justifies the use of this image. – [[User:Ilse@|Ilse]][[User talk:Ilse@|@]] 15:43, 20 April 2008 (UTC) |
***There is no purpose of use description that justifies the use of this image. – [[User:Ilse@|Ilse]][[User talk:Ilse@|@]] 15:43, 20 April 2008 (UTC) |
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**** You are entitled to your opinion, Ilse. Others may think otherwise. Since this image is listed as LIFE's [[100 Photos that Changed the World]]: [http://www.digitaljournalist.org/issue0309/lm01.html digitaljournalist.org], and was on Anne Frank's page for years now, I am removing your tag. ←[[User:Humus sapiens|Humus sapiens]] <sup>[[User talk:Humus sapiens|ну]][[Special:Contributions/Humus_sapiens|?]]</sup> 10:45, 22 April 2008 (UTC) |
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Revision as of 10:45, 22 April 2008
April 18
Image:Silk Smitha.jpg
- - uploaded by Arundhati lejeune (notify | contribs).
- This non-free image is not being used in a way consistent with Wikipedia policy. The article has not described properly about the use of this image, except in the caption of the image itself. Thus image violates WP:NFCC#8. It's just an screenshot which does not add adequate value to the article as would be required by WP:NFCC#8. NAHID 18:59, 17 April 2008 (UTC)
- Keep How do you propose to replace a deceased actress's image from a film appearance? Resurrect her and pursue a producer to cast her? Have you noticed that the NFCC#8 bit applies mostly to people alive? While applying that policy so wantonly, would you also consider a deletion of Image:Iub logo.gif? It seems to have no description in the article either. It doesn't even have a source properly cited as described in WP:CITE#IMAGE, which may even be considered as ground for speedy deletion of the image. But, you don't really see people jumping at every opportunity to propose a deletion of material uploaded by another editor, simply because they have chosen to harass, stalk and pester that person. As you can see, Wikipedia policies are meant to be used with discretion. Perhaps you also have noticed that fair use images like Image:3 Occasional Pieces.jpg for deceased people are also used in FA-class article, as that discretion in policy use is an accepted norm here. I also am sure that you can see how it has become difficult for me to assume good faith in your actions. Aditya(talk • contribs) 22:34, 17 April 2008 (UTC)
- The actress's deceased or alive, that's not the fact. The fact is, there is no explanation about this screenshot anywhere in the article (required by NFCC#8). Screenshots can only be used in discussions of the TV show or movie they're taken from. But this matter absent here and apparently it's a violation of NFCcriteria#8--NAHID 19:11, 19 April 2008 (UTC)
- Unfortunately there is little difference between a general photo and a screenshot in this case. Either would be non-free, either would be covered under the replaceability clause that deals with people who are no more. This interpretation is very much accepted by the community, as you would see that it is a fairly common practice for FA grade articles, which are considered to be examplary good work on the Wikipedia by community consensus. Check James T. Aubrey, Jr., Nirvana (band), Samuel Beckett and more (interestingly the last two examples here depict their works). If the name of the film in the caption is confusing you, you may change the caption. There is no immediate need to look for commentary on the film. That wouldn't apply anyways to an infobox image. It is highly regrettable that you choose to ignore everything I said above, and kept harping on a non-issue. Which amounts to nothing but petty lawyering. Something not expected of an editor of your experience in good faith. Ignoring all rationale and repeating a non-issue over and over again doesn't help Wikipedia grow, and doesn't establish the credibility of the nomination or the nominator. It just helps you make the last word. Aditya(talk • contribs) 11:58, 20 April 2008 (UTC)
Image:Lifeofdapartyvideo.jpg
- - uploaded by Fergie forever (notify | contribs).
- I do not believe screenshots for music videos qualify as fair use in song articles under normal circumstances, and nothing with respect to this case indicates this is any different. Skomorokh 01:02, 18 April 2008 (UTC)
Image:Gabriel of Belgium.jpg
- No source, contradictory license information (Uploader claims "This work has been released into the public domain by the copyright holder" without evidence, yet marks it as fair use), invalid fair use rationale (an image of living people; a photo op is not a historically significant event). High on a tree (talk) 01:57, 18 April 2008 (UTC)
Image:2008Swingstate.jpg
- - uploaded by JPmaverick (notify | contribs).
- 2008Swingstate.jpg - obsoleted by SwingState-2008.gif. JPmaverick (talk) 05:29, 18 April 2008 (UTC)
Image:Whitman's mother.jpg
- I had disputed the fairuse rationale but the template was removed so I'll explain again. This does not to seem to satisfy Wikipedia:NFCC#8. There is no indication that the image would significantly increase readers' understanding of the topic in any way. The only mention of his mother's death in Charles Whitman was that "Just after midnight, he killed his mother Margaret. The exact method is disputed, but it seemed he had rendered her unconscious before stabbing her in the heart. He returned to his suicide note, now writing by hand." An image of her body afterwards is not necessary, especially given the total number of people killed that day. If someone else is interested, Charles Whitman has eight other fairuse images, which may seem excessive. Ricky81682 (talk) 07:59, 18 April 2008 (UTC)
- Keep, if the other eight images were of bodies, or of his mother, it'd be a strong reason to delete this. However, as it stands the image is owned by a government source, so there is no commercial loss to the photographer, is it of a non-repeatable subject and adds significantly to the article as it shows the level of calm and such that he left his mother's body in, she wasn't thrown down a stairwell, there aren't bloody handprints on the wall, it's not a gory scene, he arranged her body lying in the bed, yet she has defensive wounds across her arms where she was clearly cut by the knife Whitman used to kill her. This isn't a "random victim", this is his mother - and clearly notable. Sherurcij (Speaker for the Dead) 08:18, 18 April 2008 (UTC)
- There is no mention of any of this in the article and that just makes this approach original research about how he killed her. How does the image help the understanding of how he killed her when there is no mention of the details (which ultimately aren't that relevant to the article as a whole). -- Ricky81682 (talk) 18:57, 19 April 2008 (UTC)
- That's the purpose of an image, to demonstrate what isn't included in the prose of the article. It would be OR to write about the defensive wounds on her arms, or that her body was placed in her bed as though asleep, since we haven't found media articles from the day. But it's not OR to simply include the image of the body. Sherurcij (Speaker for the Dead) 13:11, 20 April 2008 (UTC)
- But you are claiming that the image is significant to the article because of these things that you are admitting you couldn't put in the article. -- Ricky81682 (talk) 08:05, 21 April 2008 (UTC)
- Yes, because it's not "ORiginal Research" to simply show the image. Sherurcij (Speaker for the Dead) 15:13, 21 April 2008 (UTC)
- Ricky, can I ask you to consider the possibility that you may have a misconception on original research? We agree that original research is proscribed from article space. But are you sure that unreferenced conclusions are proscribed from talk pages discussions? I believe you are mistaken and that Sherurcij is fully entitled to draw reader's attention to things he has no references for -- on talk pages. Geo Swan (talk) 01:49, 22 April 2008 (UTC)
- But you are claiming that the image is significant to the article because of these things that you are admitting you couldn't put in the article. -- Ricky81682 (talk) 08:05, 21 April 2008 (UTC)
- Keep (from talk page this morning) - But the picture provides information, to somebody who study criminal minds, crime scenes, provides a lot of information, just wathing the picture you can realize how he loved his mother, placing her as sleeping, taking care of details, as a crime scene is very intresting, as motivaition of the criminal gives a lot of light. Deleting images who provides information is a crime. 189.149.64.69
- Keep -- Whitman's note said that he tried to minimize the suffering of his wife and mother when he killed them. The photo confirms this. I believe this photo DID increase my understanding of the topic. Geo Swan (talk) 01:49, 22 April 2008 (UTC)
- Look, I am not saying that OR is proscribed from the talk page discussion. My problem is people claiming reasons based on OR that aren't in the article. My concern is saying that the article is significant for a reason that is not clear from the article itself. The article merely describes her passing. If we are going to have a minimal use of fair-use images, this image does not seem necessary in my view. I cannot go and use a copyrighted image and then when asked about it, claim that it is significant to the article for a bunch of stuff that isn't or can't be in the article itself. The image also does not seem to pass the "omission would be detrimental to that understanding" part of #8 (which I'll readily admit is being fought over, so I won't focus on that), as you can easily remove the image and the article would clearly be exactly the same. Again, the article only mentions that he killed her and that he stabbed her. Everything that everyone is noticing is just stuff that they are seeing from the picture or from outside information that could never be put in the article. This is not the way to argue that image are necessary under our fair-use guidelines, in my view. If another admin thinks this satisfies, I'll leave it be, but I am more seriously concerned about the Time and Life magazine covers and the other copyrighted images on the page. Image:Coversvanity demi.0.jpg is an example of a good fair-use of a magazine cover, not the way it is being here in this article (but that's a completely separate point). -- Ricky81682 (talk) 09:41, 22 April 2008 (UTC)
Image:Aram_Khatchatourian_60x95.JPG
- Original image from which this was derived was deleted as non-free. Kelly hi! 08:16, 18 April 2008 (UTC)
Image:Bronstein.jpg
- - uploaded by Peripatetic (notify | contribs).
Image:Anarchocommunism.jpg
- Capitalists have no authority on deciding what symbols represent anarcho-communism Melnais krauklis (talk) 12:38, 18 April 2008 (UTC)
Image:PalisadesMedicalCenter logo.jpg
- Not a logo as claimed, but a photo with an added logo. The photo is not eligible for a fair use rationale per WP:NFCC#1, because the building still exists and could be photographed to create a free alternative. High on a tree (talk) 13:29, 18 April 2008 (UTC)
Image:SF2 pinball.jpg
Image:FedEx 777F Artwork BCA.jpg
- Unfree image which fails WP:NFCC#10c (fair use in which articles?), and I can't think think of a valid fair use rationale for the two articles in which it is currently used: This image does not contribute a great deal to the reader's understanding of the topics World's largest airlines and FedEx Express. High on a tree (talk) 20:08, 18 April 2008 (UTC)
Image:MD_Malcolm_Staff_.jpg
- - uploaded by Fan_Engineer (notify | contribs).
Image:Seven+two.jpg
- - uploaded by Fan_Engineer (notify | contribs).
Image:Halifax_Fan_works.JPG
- - uploaded by Fan_Engineer (notify | contribs).
Image:Halifax_fan_ATEX_APPLICATION.jpeg
- - uploaded by Fan_Engineer (notify | contribs).
Image:HALIFAX_FAN_TABLE_2.jpg
- - uploaded by Fan_Engineer (notify | contribs).
- Orphaned, Absent uploader, possible Copyright violation, likely Unencyclopedic BigrTex 20:43, 18 April 2008 (UTC)
Image:HALIFAX_FAN_PERFORMANCE_CURVE.jpg
- - uploaded by Fan_Engineer (notify | contribs).
- Orphaned, Absent uploader, likely Copyright violation, Unencyclopedic BigrTex 20:43, 18 April 2008 (UTC)
Image:HALIFAX_FAN_TABLE_1.jpg
- - uploaded by Fan_Engineer (notify | contribs).
- Orphaned, Absent uploader, likely Copyright violation, Unencyclopedic BigrTex 20:43, 18 April 2008 (UTC)
Image:HALIFAX_FAN_TABLE_3.jpg
- - uploaded by Fan_Engineer (notify | contribs).
- Orphaned, Absent uploader, likely Copyright violation, Unencyclopedic BigrTex 20:43, 18 April 2008 (UTC)
Image:Gordon,Jeramy.jpg
- - uploaded by Thumbsdown00 (notify | contribs).
- Orphaned, Unencyclopedic Veripedian (talk) 20:44, 18 April 2008 (UTC)
Image:Jeramy.gif
- - uploaded by Thumbsdown00 (notify | contribs).
- Orphaned, Unencyclopedic Veripedian (talk) 20:48, 18 April 2008 (UTC)
Image:Centrif_fan_+_flow.JPG
- - uploaded by Fan_Engineer (notify | contribs).
- Orphaned, Absent uploader, possible Copyright violation, likely Unencyclopedic BigrTex 20:45, 18 April 2008 (UTC)
Image:Two_MEBI_ATEX_FANS.jpg
- - uploaded by Fan_Engineer (notify | contribs).
- Orphaned, Absent uploader, likely Copyright violation, probably Unencyclopedic BigrTex 20:46, 18 April 2008 (UTC)
Image:Halifax_Plastic_Impeller.JPG
- - uploaded by Fan_Engineer (notify | contribs).
- Orphaned, Absent uploader, possible Copyright violation, probably Unencyclopedic BigrTex 20:47, 18 April 2008 (UTC)
Image:Two_Halifax_ATEX_fans.jpg
- - uploaded by Fan_Engineer (notify | contribs).
- Orphaned, Absent uploader, probable Copyright violation, likely Unencyclopedic BigrTex 20:47, 18 April 2008 (UTC)
Image:MISTRAL_BI.JPG
- - uploaded by Fan_Engineer (notify | contribs).
- Orphaned, Absent uploader, possible Copyright violation, probably Unencyclopedic BigrTex 20:48, 18 April 2008 (UTC)
Image:PB_PB.JPG
- - uploaded by Fan_Engineer (notify | contribs).
- Orphaned, Absent uploader, possible Copyright violation, probably Unencyclopedic BigrTex 20:48, 18 April 2008 (UTC)
Image:PMV_FC.JPG
- - uploaded by Fan_Engineer (notify | contribs).
- Orphaned, Absent uploader, possible Copyright violation, probably Unencyclopedic BigrTex 20:49, 18 April 2008 (UTC)
Image:Industrial_fan.jpg
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Image:Fan_Engineer235.JPG
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Image:SIDE_KICK_over_Grisdale.JPG
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Image:Salva_Vita_Foundation_final_note_2006_Krzywkowska.pdf
Image:Anne Frank the Hollywood photo Oct10 1942.jpg
- - uploaded by Humus sapiens (notify | contribs).
- This image fails WP:NFCC policy #8 on significance, because there is already another non-free portrait used in Anne Frank. The text in the image could simply be quoted in the article. Ilse@ 21:47, 18 April 2008 (UTC)
- I do not agree with this image's supposed non significance. I found it (and other photos of Anne Frank in the article) crucial to my overall understanding. --128.195.54.180
- There is no purpose of use description that justifies the use of this image. – Ilse@ 15:43, 20 April 2008 (UTC)
- You are entitled to your opinion, Ilse. Others may think otherwise. Since this image is listed as LIFE's 100 Photos that Changed the World: digitaljournalist.org, and was on Anne Frank's page for years now, I am removing your tag. ←Humus sapiens ну? 10:45, 22 April 2008 (UTC)
- There is no purpose of use description that justifies the use of this image. – Ilse@ 15:43, 20 April 2008 (UTC)
- I do not agree with this image's supposed non significance. I found it (and other photos of Anne Frank in the article) crucial to my overall understanding. --128.195.54.180
Image:Jasonsheemun.jpg
Image:Jasonla.jpg
Image:Old_town_kopitiam.jpg
Image:Hillcity.jpg
- Orphaned, Absent uploader, not enough context to determine encyclopedic value BigrTex 22:00, 18 April 2008 (UTC)
Image:Zboruvate li angliski.ogg
- - uploaded by Bjankuloski06en (notify | contribs).
- Orphaned audio file; no context in which this would seemingly be useful. fuzzy510 (talk) 23:59, 18 April 2008 (UTC)
Image:Earthquake Information for Pakistan.gif
- - uploaded by Deeptrivia (notify | contribs).
