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* '''Oh, give me a break'''. And I write this as someone who disagrees with Lightbreather as often as not. Can't we disagree with people without accusing them of high crimes and misdemeanors? Can't we let the strength of our arguments carry the day, not personal attacks? First, Felsic hasn't edited since February. It is now May. What exactly makes this a burning issue? I suspect it's the fact the Lightbreather is before arbcom, and so it's "let's pile on more mud" time. Second, just compare editing histories. [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Contributions/Felsic&dir=prev&target=Felsic Felsic] [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Contributions/Lightbreather&offset=20150204175045&target=Lightbreather Lightbreather]. Both edited quite actively on February 3, starting about 10:00, including, Felsic:
<pre>
11:18, February 3, 2015 (diff | hist) . . (+173)‎ . . Universal background check ‎ (improve intro - don't revert again without talking first)
11:09, February 3, 2015 (diff | hist) . . (+7)‎ . . Talk:Universal background check ‎ (→‎"...is a term..."`)
11:09, February 3, 2015 (diff | hist) . . (+232)‎ . . Talk:Universal background check ‎ (→‎"...is a term..."`: why talk when you can just revert instead)
11:07, February 3, 2015 (diff | hist) . . (+2)‎ . . Talk:Universal background check ‎ (→‎Discussion)
11:06, February 3, 2015 (diff | hist) . . (+379)‎ . . Talk:Universal background check ‎ (→‎Requested move 29 January 2015: wrong name)
10:55, February 3, 2015 (diff | hist) . . (+123)‎ . . Talk:American Hunters and Shooters Association ‎ (→‎Non-partisan: be consistent)
10:53, February 3, 2015 (diff | hist) . . (+21)‎ . . National Association for Gun Rights ‎ (where)
10:53, February 3, 2015 (diff | hist) . . (+6)‎ . . Students for Concealed Carry ‎
10:52, February 3, 2015 (diff | hist) . . (+36)‎ . . Students for Concealed Carry ‎ (→‎History)
10:48, February 3, 2015 (diff | hist) . . (-162)‎ . . National Association for Gun Rights ‎
10:44, February 3, 2015 (diff | hist) . . (-23)‎ . . Law Enforcement Alliance of America ‎
10:41, February 3, 2015 (diff | hist) . . (+4)‎ . . Law Enforcement Alliance of America ‎ (", non-partisan" - nothing about that in the footnote,)
</pre>
Lightbreather:
<pre>
11:10, February 3, 2015 (diff | hist) . . (-1)‎ . . m User:Lightbreather ‎ (→‎Some, not so much: m)
11:10, February 3, 2015 (diff | hist) . . (+180)‎ . . User:Lightbreather ‎ (→‎Some, not so much: vexatious)
10:53, February 3, 2015 (diff | hist) . . (+337)‎ . . Talk:Women's rights in 2014 ‎ (→‎Opening Sentence: request)
</pre>


And here's another span, editing some of the same articles, at the same time, even; Felsic:
<pre>
15:14, February 3, 2015 (diff | hist) . . (+160)‎ . . Talk:Assault weapon ‎ (→‎Neutral lead: yada yada)
15:12, February 3, 2015 (diff | hist) . . (-5)‎ . . Assault weapon ‎ (less pushy template text)
14:58, February 3, 2015 (diff | hist) . . (+281)‎ . . Talk:Assault weapon ‎ (→‎Neutral lead: Reply)
14:54, February 3, 2015 (diff | hist) . . (+70)‎ . . Bayonet lug ‎ (→‎Legality: cosmetic)
14:53, February 3, 2015 (diff | hist) . . (+76)‎ . . Grenade launcher ‎ (cosmetic)
14:52, February 3, 2015 (diff | hist) . . (+72)‎ . . Barrel shroud ‎ (→‎Legislation: cosmetic) (current) [rollback] [vandalism]
14:52, February 3, 2015 (diff | hist) . . (+76)‎ . . Flash suppressor ‎ (→‎United States: cosmetic)
14:51, February 3, 2015 (diff | hist) . . (+50)‎ . . Pistol grip ‎ (cosmetic)
14:49, February 3, 2015 (diff | hist) . . (+128)‎ . . Talk:American Hunters and Shooters Association ‎ (→‎Non-partisan: Reply) (current) [rollback] [vandalism]
14:45, February 3, 2015 (diff | hist) . . (+1)‎ . . m Talk:Assault weapon ‎ (→‎Neutral lead)
14:37, February 3, 2015 (diff | hist) . . (+377)‎ . . Talk:Microstamping ‎ (→‎More original research: new section)
14:32, February 3, 2015 (diff | hist) . . (+348)‎ . . User talk:Miguel Escopeta ‎ (→‎Accusations #2: new section)
14:27, February 3, 2015 (diff | hist) . . (0)‎ . . m Talk:Gun show loophole ‎ (→‎Category:Dysphemisms)
14:26, February 3, 2015 (diff | hist) . . (+126)‎ . . Talk:Gun show loophole ‎ (→‎Category:Dysphemisms)
14:23, February 3, 2015 (diff | hist) . . (+721)‎ . . Talk:Assault weapon ‎ (→‎Neutral lead: no consensus for Miquel's version)
14:10, February 3, 2015 (diff | hist) . . (-170)‎ . . Microstamping ‎ (→‎Effectiveness: remove unrelated cite (there is no mention of a microstamping in this article)
14:08, February 3, 2015 (diff | hist) . . (-14)‎ . . 2012 Azana Spa shootings ‎ (Clean up)
14:04, February 3, 2015 (diff | hist) . . (+40)‎ . . 2012 Azana Spa shootings ‎ (→‎Events: an important detail)
14:00, February 3, 2015 (diff | hist) . . (+125)‎ . . Talk:Gun show loophole ‎ (→‎Category:American political neologisms: duh)
13:46, February 3, 2015 (diff | hist) . . (+215)‎ . . User talk:Miguel Escopeta ‎ (Edit warring)

</pre>
Lightbreather:
<pre>
15:45, February 3, 2015 (diff | hist) . . (+230)‎ . . Talk:Gun show loophole ‎ (→‎Clarification: so...)
15:41, February 3, 2015 (diff | hist) . . (+397)‎ . . Talk:Gun show loophole ‎ (→‎Private sale loophole: add)
15:33, February 3, 2015 (diff | hist) . . (+20)‎ . . Talk:Gun show loophole ‎ (→‎Private sale loophole: page)
15:32, February 3, 2015 (diff | hist) . . (+1,407)‎ . . Talk:Gun show loophole ‎ (→‎Private sale loophole: reply to dn)
15:22, February 3, 2015 (diff | hist) . . (+139)‎ . . Gun show loophole ‎ (→‎top: expand)
15:12, February 3, 2015 (diff | hist) . . (-185)‎ . . Gun show loophole ‎ (→‎top: detail for NICS article, not here)
15:01, February 3, 2015 (diff | hist) . . (+4)‎ . . Gun show loophole ‎ (→‎top: wikilink)
15:01, February 3, 2015 (diff | hist) . . (-569)‎ . . Gun show loophole ‎ (→‎top: Remove WP:SYNTH)
14:59, February 3, 2015 (diff | hist) . . (-1,834)‎ . . Gun show loophole ‎ (→‎top: Remove WP:SYNTH)
14:39, February 3, 2015 (diff | hist) . . (+10)‎ . . Talk:Gun show loophole ‎ (→‎Help with red links: done)
14:37, February 3, 2015 (diff | hist) . . (+168)‎ . . Talk:Gun show loophole ‎ (→‎Preserving lead: reply)
14:34, February 3, 2015 (diff | hist) . . (-20)‎ . . Assault weapon ‎ (→‎Definitions and usage: "primarily" means "not exclusively" - I thought this had been fixed before)
14:33, February 3, 2015 (diff | hist) . . (+366)‎ . . Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Countering systemic bias/Gender gap task force ‎ (→‎"How Wikipedia Articles Are Biased Against Women": thx, sarah)
14:17, February 3, 2015 (diff | hist) . . (+568)‎ . . Wikipedia talk:Manual of Style/Words to watch ‎ (→‎"Pejorative" and "term of art": reply)
13:56, February 3, 2015 (diff | hist) . . (+433)‎ . . Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Clarification and Amendment ‎ (→‎Statement by Lightbreather 2: q for ec)
</pre>

To do that one person would need a spare computer, a split personality and a spare set of hands. Cut it out.
--[[User:GRuban|GRuban]] ([[User talk:GRuban|talk]]) 18:53, 5 May 2015 (UTC) <small>(also known as Lightbreather clone #46,753. Lightbreather clones of the world, unite!)</small>


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05 May 2015

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Suspected sockpuppets


Most of the evidence is at Wikipedia:Sockpuppet_investigations/Lightbreather/Archive#01_February_2015. The two editors have a history of tag teaming, and Felsic is obviously an experienced editor's alt account. The Felsic account edited from an open proxy (User_talk:162.119.231.132#Not_a_proxy). It also abruptly stopped editing in late February, after racking up over 300 edits in February alone. Given Lightbreather's history of socking, and the collaboration between the two accounts, I suspect Lightbreather messed up and edited from the proxy, or that she edited as Felsic from her real IP address and decided to drop the account. Faceless Enemy (talk) 11:31, 5 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]

@Salvidrim!: Either way I believe the puppet master for the Felsic account accidentally edited without a proxy (or edited with the proxy on their main account) shortly before the Felsic account stopped editing on February 26 (after the prior SPI had concluded). Faceless Enemy (talk) 15:18, 5 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Comments by other users

Accused parties may also comment/discuss in this section below. See Defending yourself against claims.

  • Oh, give me a break. And I write this as someone who disagrees with Lightbreather as often as not. Can't we disagree with people without accusing them of high crimes and misdemeanors? Can't we let the strength of our arguments carry the day, not personal attacks? First, Felsic hasn't edited since February. It is now May. What exactly makes this a burning issue? I suspect it's the fact the Lightbreather is before arbcom, and so it's "let's pile on more mud" time. Second, just compare editing histories. Felsic Lightbreather. Both edited quite actively on February 3, starting about 10:00, including, Felsic:
11:18, February 3, 2015 (diff | hist) . . (+173)‎ . . Universal background check ‎ (improve intro - don't revert again without talking first)
11:09, February 3, 2015 (diff | hist) . . (+7)‎ . . Talk:Universal background check ‎ (→‎"...is a term..."`)
11:09, February 3, 2015 (diff | hist) . . (+232)‎ . . Talk:Universal background check ‎ (→‎"...is a term..."`: why talk when you can just revert instead)
11:07, February 3, 2015 (diff | hist) . . (+2)‎ . . Talk:Universal background check ‎ (→‎Discussion)
11:06, February 3, 2015 (diff | hist) . . (+379)‎ . . Talk:Universal background check ‎ (→‎Requested move 29 January 2015: wrong name)
10:55, February 3, 2015 (diff | hist) . . (+123)‎ . . Talk:American Hunters and Shooters Association ‎ (→‎Non-partisan: be consistent)
10:53, February 3, 2015 (diff | hist) . . (+21)‎ . . National Association for Gun Rights ‎ (where)
10:53, February 3, 2015 (diff | hist) . . (+6)‎ . . Students for Concealed Carry ‎
10:52, February 3, 2015 (diff | hist) . . (+36)‎ . . Students for Concealed Carry ‎ (→‎History)
10:48, February 3, 2015 (diff | hist) . . (-162)‎ . . National Association for Gun Rights ‎
10:44, February 3, 2015 (diff | hist) . . (-23)‎ . . Law Enforcement Alliance of America ‎
10:41, February 3, 2015 (diff | hist) . . (+4)‎ . . Law Enforcement Alliance of America ‎ (", non-partisan" - nothing about that in the footnote,)

Lightbreather:

11:10, February 3, 2015 (diff | hist) . . (-1)‎ . . m User:Lightbreather ‎ (→‎Some, not so much: m)
11:10, February 3, 2015 (diff | hist) . . (+180)‎ . . User:Lightbreather ‎ (→‎Some, not so much: vexatious)
10:53, February 3, 2015 (diff | hist) . . (+337)‎ . . Talk:Women's rights in 2014 ‎ (→‎Opening Sentence: request)

And here's another span, editing some of the same articles, at the same time, even; Felsic:

15:14, February 3, 2015 (diff | hist) . . (+160)‎ . . Talk:Assault weapon ‎ (→‎Neutral lead: yada yada)
15:12, February 3, 2015 (diff | hist) . . (-5)‎ . . Assault weapon ‎ (less pushy template text)
14:58, February 3, 2015 (diff | hist) . . (+281)‎ . . Talk:Assault weapon ‎ (→‎Neutral lead: Reply)
14:54, February 3, 2015 (diff | hist) . . (+70)‎ . . Bayonet lug ‎ (→‎Legality: cosmetic)
14:53, February 3, 2015 (diff | hist) . . (+76)‎ . . Grenade launcher ‎ (cosmetic)
14:52, February 3, 2015 (diff | hist) . . (+72)‎ . . Barrel shroud ‎ (→‎Legislation: cosmetic) (current) [rollback] [vandalism]
14:52, February 3, 2015 (diff | hist) . . (+76)‎ . . Flash suppressor ‎ (→‎United States: cosmetic)
14:51, February 3, 2015 (diff | hist) . . (+50)‎ . . Pistol grip ‎ (cosmetic)
14:49, February 3, 2015 (diff | hist) . . (+128)‎ . . Talk:American Hunters and Shooters Association ‎ (→‎Non-partisan: Reply) (current) [rollback] [vandalism]
14:45, February 3, 2015 (diff | hist) . . (+1)‎ . . m Talk:Assault weapon ‎ (→‎Neutral lead)
14:37, February 3, 2015 (diff | hist) . . (+377)‎ . . Talk:Microstamping ‎ (→‎More original research: new section)
14:32, February 3, 2015 (diff | hist) . . (+348)‎ . . User talk:Miguel Escopeta ‎ (→‎Accusations #2: new section)
14:27, February 3, 2015 (diff | hist) . . (0)‎ . . m Talk:Gun show loophole ‎ (→‎Category:Dysphemisms)
14:26, February 3, 2015 (diff | hist) . . (+126)‎ . . Talk:Gun show loophole ‎ (→‎Category:Dysphemisms)
14:23, February 3, 2015 (diff | hist) . . (+721)‎ . . Talk:Assault weapon ‎ (→‎Neutral lead: no consensus for Miquel's version)
14:10, February 3, 2015 (diff | hist) . . (-170)‎ . . Microstamping ‎ (→‎Effectiveness: remove unrelated cite (there is no mention of a microstamping in this article)
14:08, February 3, 2015 (diff | hist) . . (-14)‎ . . 2012 Azana Spa shootings ‎ (Clean up)
14:04, February 3, 2015 (diff | hist) . . (+40)‎ . . 2012 Azana Spa shootings ‎ (→‎Events: an important detail)
14:00, February 3, 2015 (diff | hist) . . (+125)‎ . . Talk:Gun show loophole ‎ (→‎Category:American political neologisms: duh)
13:46, February 3, 2015 (diff | hist) . . (+215)‎ . . User talk:Miguel Escopeta ‎ (Edit warring)

Lightbreather:

15:45, February 3, 2015 (diff | hist) . . (+230)‎ . . Talk:Gun show loophole ‎ (→‎Clarification: so...)
15:41, February 3, 2015 (diff | hist) . . (+397)‎ . . Talk:Gun show loophole ‎ (→‎Private sale loophole: add)
15:33, February 3, 2015 (diff | hist) . . (+20)‎ . . Talk:Gun show loophole ‎ (→‎Private sale loophole: page)
15:32, February 3, 2015 (diff | hist) . . (+1,407)‎ . . Talk:Gun show loophole ‎ (→‎Private sale loophole: reply to dn)
15:22, February 3, 2015 (diff | hist) . . (+139)‎ . . Gun show loophole ‎ (→‎top: expand)
15:12, February 3, 2015 (diff | hist) . . (-185)‎ . . Gun show loophole ‎ (→‎top: detail for NICS article, not here)
15:01, February 3, 2015 (diff | hist) . . (+4)‎ . . Gun show loophole ‎ (→‎top: wikilink)
15:01, February 3, 2015 (diff | hist) . . (-569)‎ . . Gun show loophole ‎ (→‎top: Remove WP:SYNTH)
14:59, February 3, 2015 (diff | hist) . . (-1,834)‎ . . Gun show loophole ‎ (→‎top: Remove WP:SYNTH)
14:39, February 3, 2015 (diff | hist) . . (+10)‎ . . Talk:Gun show loophole ‎ (→‎Help with red links: done)
14:37, February 3, 2015 (diff | hist) . . (+168)‎ . . Talk:Gun show loophole ‎ (→‎Preserving lead: reply)
14:34, February 3, 2015 (diff | hist) . . (-20)‎ . . Assault weapon ‎ (→‎Definitions and usage: "primarily" means "not exclusively" - I thought this had been fixed before)
14:33, February 3, 2015 (diff | hist) . . (+366)‎ . . Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Countering systemic bias/Gender gap task force ‎ (→‎"How Wikipedia Articles Are Biased Against Women": thx, sarah)
14:17, February 3, 2015 (diff | hist) . . (+568)‎ . . Wikipedia talk:Manual of Style/Words to watch ‎ (→‎"Pejorative" and "term of art": reply)
13:56, February 3, 2015 (diff | hist) . . (+433)‎ . . Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Clarification and Amendment ‎ (→‎Statement by Lightbreather 2: q for ec)

To do that one person would need a spare computer, a split personality and a spare set of hands. Cut it out. --GRuban (talk) 18:53, 5 May 2015 (UTC) (also known as Lightbreather clone #46,753. Lightbreather clones of the world, unite!)[reply]

Clerk, CheckUser, and/or patrolling admin comments
  •  Clerk note: Guerillero ran a CU on the Feb. 1st case -- the case involved Felsic, Lightbreather and Darknipples and the result of the CU was Red X Unrelated but it wasn't totally explicit (from my perspective) if all three were checked. ☺ · Salvidrim! ·  13:15, 5 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]